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RLENT

RLENT

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BTW - the linked article in the Tweet below is a very good explainer on how dubious "information" from questionable, fringe sources gets "laundered" into more respectable "mainstream" rightwing media (NRO, Tucker Carlson, etc.) as nefarious conspiracy theories:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1360013163580768256

There are similar analogs on the left as well.
 
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RLENT said:
BTW - the linked article in the Tweet below is a very good explainer on how dubious "information" from questionable, fringe sources gets "laundered" into more respectable "mainstream" rightwing media (NRO, Tucker Carlson, etc.) as nefarious conspiracy theories:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1360013163580768256

There are similar analogs on the left as well.
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If they don't know exactly what happened then the Shampeachment
Speakers shouldn't be speaking definitively about it and using it for political reasons.
#theyshouldshowrespect
 
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RLENT said:
Totally inappropriate.

The Senate - by a simple majority, if the rules permit - should bar these three from the Chamber for the remainder of the trial, including the votes.
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From ABC News:
'Democrats, too, flocked to House Impeachment manager after the Senate recessed for the night "presumably to praise their performance," according to a reporter in the chamber at the time.'

Totally inappropriate.

The Senate - by a simple majority, if the rules permit - should bar these Democrats from the Chamber for the remainder of the trial, including the votes.
 
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muttly said:
So hard up for votes.
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No ... this country is hard up for patriots with a spine.

We already know who they aren't.

:tearsofjoy:

Besides ... I already explained how that vote thing will work:

The 50 are already screwed no matter which way it goes - their vote will used, by one side or the other - to beat them mercilessly.

But since you raise the issue, I think that there's a case to be made to expand the exclusion pool from those to include the 15 - 17 who couldn't be bothered to attend today's proceedings in full. That would reduce the pool of votes to around 80 ...

Absolutely no good reason to be absent, they simply were shirking their duty as elected officials.

In fact, thinking about it further, there's a case to be made that those who STILL BELIEVE that this impeachment is unconstitutional should not take part in the process at all.

What's that bring us down to ?

:tearsofjoy:

I think one could make the case that if any of those mentioned above in that pool come looking to political favors from Dems or the Senate Leadership - like inclusion of something into a bill - they be treated like the Dems don't know them.

New phone, who dis ?

:tearsofjoy:
 
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Turtle said:
From ABC News:
'Democrats, too, flocked to House Impeachment manager after the Senate recessed for the night "presumably to praise their performance," according to a reporter in the chamber at the time.'

Totally inappropriate.

The Senate - by a simple majority, if the rules permit - should bar these Democrats from the Chamber for the remainder of the trial, including the votes.
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Seems to be overlooking the most relevant fact: that they had finished presenting their case.

:tearsofjoy:
 
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RLENT said:
No ... this country is hard up for patriots with a spine.

We already know who they aren't.
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Please do your best to try and make your points without insulting or disparaging others. #17 on the Hit Parade:

The Soapbox contains topics which engender strong opinions and passions, therefore the Code of Conduct rules are often less rigidly enforced, so as to allow a more free and relaxed discussion. However, insults directly or indirectly towards individuals or entire groups (religious, political or otherwise) will not be tolerated.
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Further instances of insulting or disparaging of individuals or groups will be construed as trolling for the purposes of getting a reaction from readers. While you certainly, absolutely have the right to freedom of speech, you don't have is, as CNN's Brian Stelter made quite an argument against having, freedom of reach.
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Absolutely no good reason to be absent, they simply were shirking their duty as elected officials.
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There are lots of good reasons to be absent. The prosecution became repetitive on their second day and focused more on emotional narrative and feelings ("We wuz skeered!") than facts pertaining to the Articles. Unless enthralled with it, there's no good reason to sit through a second or third showing of the same dog and pony show. There's no reason to sit there and subject yourself to emotional propaganda. Even some Democrats weren't in the chamber for the proceedings. Bernie was there, but he was sleeping.
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Seems to be overlooking the most relevant fact: that they had finished presenting their case.
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Not overlooking it in the slightest. As this is s political exercise and not a judicial one, it's not inappropriate for the jurors to meet with either side prior, during or after the trial. If it was inappropriate, the presiding officer in the trial would have dismissed those jurors from the proceedings.
 
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RLENT said:
No ... this country is hard up for patriots with a spine.

We already know who they aren't.
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Please do your best to try and make your points without insulting or disparaging others. #17 on the Hit Parade:

The Soapbox contains topics which engender strong opinions and passions, therefore the Code of Conduct rules are often less rigidly enforced, so as to allow a more free and relaxed discussion. However, insults directly or indirectly towards individuals or entire groups (religious, political or otherwise) will not be tolerated.
Click to expand...
Further instances of insulting or disparaging of individuals or groups will be construed as trolling for the purposes of getting a reaction from readers. While you certainly, absolutely have the right to freedom of speech, you don't have is, as CNN's Brian Stelter made quite an argument against having, freedom of reach.
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I might get into some trouble for asking this question, as the above post is not directed at me, but why don't i see this kind of warning when the same kind of remarks are flowing in the other direction.

I cant begin to count how many times insulting and disparaging remarks are used to describe those with liberal or even left political leanings.

Using terms like "dumber than dirt", or similar phrases is uncalled for.
End of rant.
 
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Wow, look at all those Dems 4 years ago objecting to the certification of Trump's presidential victory.
#butitsokwhentheydoitlol
 
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Trump spoke out several times about Law and Order to quell rioters. He order 10,000 NG Troops to be ready for Capitol crowd but weren't implemented by PTB.
#impeachmentusedascoverup
 
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Defense lawyers making a strong case so far that Dems multiple appeasement and rhetorical statements of riots could also be construed as lighting the flames of violence.
 
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Dems presented manipulated video of Trump's Capitol speech (isn't that against House rules?)
Rarely played( by "news" media) Trump speech by defense lawyer gave proper context.
 
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Trump saying "getting people to fight" ment getting the right Representatives and Senators to ("fight") effectively represent voters.
#contextmatters
 
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Biden actually looks competent using that gavel in the video from 4 years ago.
#goodjobJoe
 
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