Zimmerman Not Guilty

[davekc]

I'm not arguing the verdict, because it's what I expected [the prosecution did not prove Zimmerman guilty] and it's legally correct, but: how can anyone determine Zimmerman's state of mind at the moment he pulled the weapon? The only way to decide is to evaluate his credibility, because his story is all there was.
And Zimmerman was a liar, plain and simple. He lied numerous times about numerous things, and personally, I believe he lied about the last few minutes of Martin's life. We'll probably never know what really happened, in truth. But it's also true that better the guilty go free than the innocent go to prison, I guess.
What concerns me now is that Zimmerman is the perfect example of what gun control advocates fear most: a citizen with the motive, means, and authority to carry a concealed weapon, but not the mature judgement required.

I think that gun control advocates are blinded by the media and left wing liberals. The reality is that these types of instances aren't that common. Just get a lot of media attention. If they were that concerned, they would be addressing areas like Chicago and other places that have numerous murders just through a weekend. Gun control is a waste of time as the "horse is already out of barn". Guns are everywhere now. Many are illegal and there is little to stop it short of stiff prison sentences for the offenders.
It would be my thinking that the left and a large portion of minorities would prefer not to discuss that.

 

[cheri1122]

Where do you get he was self-appointed? Moveon.org? He was CHOSEN head of the neighborhood watch by the other members, when they set it up.

Sorry, Hawk, but there were no "other members". Wendy Dorival [the Sanford PD liaison for NW] did a presentation at Zimmerman's request. Afterwards, she sent him an email detailing the next step: he was to list the volunteers, assign them to patrol blocks & schedules, and send her the details. She never heard from him again about the program. [He did send an email asking for details of a recent burglary he'd heard about.]
BTW: most of the "burglaries & attempted breakins" in the neighborhood were on the same order: mainly in Zimmerman's imagination.

I don't know who you're trying to convince here. The prosecution couldn't convince even one of six women on the jury. They had NO evidence... just like you.

They didn't have enough evidence, that is true.

 

[cheri1122]

I think that gun control advocates are blinded by the media and left wing liberals.

I think they're just sickened by people being shot to death. So am I, but I don't believe gun control would do anything to help.

The reality is that these types of instances aren't that common. Just get a lot of media attention. If they were that concerned, they would be addressing areas like Chicago and other places that have numerous murders just through a weekend. Gun control is a waste of time as the "horse is already out of barn". Guns are everywhere now. Many are illegal and there is little to stop it short of stiff prison sentences for the offenders.
It would be my thinking that the left and a large portion of minorities would prefer not to discuss that.

If the officials can find a way to impose stiff prison sentences that don't cost the taxpayers to support the criminals, ok then.

 

[davekc]

If the officials can find a way to impose stiff prison sentences that don't cost the taxpayers to support the criminals, ok then.

Well....I guess you could bring back the chain gangs.

 

[paullud]

I'm not arguing the verdict, because it's what I expected [the prosecution did not prove Zimmerman guilty] and it's legally correct, but: how can anyone determine Zimmerman's state of mind at the moment he pulled the weapon? The only way to decide is to evaluate his credibility, because his story is all there was.
And Zimmerman was a liar, plain and simple. He lied numerous times about numerous things, and personally, I believe he lied about the last few minutes of Martin's life. We'll probably never know what really happened, in truth. But it's also true that better the guilty go free than the innocent go to prison, I guess.
What concerns me now is that Zimmerman is the perfect example of what gun control advocates fear most: a citizen with the motive, means, and authority to carry a concealed weapon, but not the mature judgement required.

There were a few minor differences but nothing major in his story changed and there was more than his story to go off of.

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[AMonger]

His lawyers will get most of it. 17 months of legal fees is not cheap. Not sure why the city and state will send him anything. The star will need to pay some of his legal fees but not near all of them.

False arrest. Was it Sanford that arrested him? Then they're on the hook. Who prosecuted him? Probably the county, or the state. They're on the hook, too.

Zimmerman's legal bills are in 6-figures, I heard. They'll settle for a lot more than that. If it's found the charges should never have been brought in the first place, which many legal experts are saying, the state may have to pay his attorney fees directly, I read.

The problem is, he's going to have more legal bills. You think Eric Holder gives a rodent's rectum about the prohibition against double jeopardy? He and his criminal boss both view the law as a tool for getting what you want rather than a framework for society, and so there'll be federal charges, equally bogus, and the civil suit from Trayvon's family, so Zim had better score big, because it's all going to go right back out again.

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[AMonger]

LOL all these arm chair lawyers turned truck driver! Some are quite amusing....

The law isn't supposed to be mumbo jumbo that only a few benighted individuals can comprehend. That it's turned into that is one reason we've got so many problems in this country. That's how we can have 1200-page bills in Congress, voted on by people who haven't read them, and that's ok by the people as a whole.
The law should be such that a truck driver, dishwasher, or ditch digger can expound on it.

 

[cheri1122]

There were a few minor differences but nothing major in his story changed and there was more than his story to go off of.

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Twice [in his original statement, taken hours after the shooting, and again in the interview with Hannity] he said Martin "put his hands over my nose & mouth" and that caused him to reach for his gun, only Martin beat him to it.
That didn't & couldn't happen, and it's hardly a "minor" detail.
You also mentioned that his calling the police is proof of his intent to abide by the law, but you ignore that the last thing he said to them was to request that the police call him when they got there, to find out where he was. He had already arranged to meet them at his truck, so the only reason for the change in plan is that his plan changed, and he didn't intend to return to his truck.
He says he was "looking for a street sign" which is just ludicrous: in the community where he'd lived for years [and patrolled for burglars, vagrants, and suspicious people], there were only 3 streets - if he didn't know which street the mailboxes were on, where he got out of his truck, he was too stupid to be a NW person.
He lied also about being unfamiliar with the Stand Your Ground law, and he had to request a new judge when the one who granted his bail said he is a liar who manipulated the system for his own benefit. Which was no more than the truth.
Oh, yeah: this is totally irrelevant, except that it shows his character: he let a friend throw a graduation party for him, because he said he'd graduated [while he wasn't even making passing grades!] - how's that for a real pal? And don't forget he got his wife charged with felony perjury - the guy is a sleazy liar, no question about it.

 

[xiggi]

And martin from all signs was growing into a pretty sleazy charecter himself. None of this matters though it was a pretty clear cut case of self defense.

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[paullud]

Twice [in his original statement, taken hours after the shooting, and again in the interview with Hannity] he said Martin "put his hands over my nose & mouth" and that caused him to reach for his gun, only Martin beat him to it.
That didn't & couldn't happen, and it's hardly a "minor" detail.
You also mentioned that his calling the police is proof of his intent to abide by the law, but you ignore that the last thing he said to them was to request that the police call him when they got there, to find out where he was. He had already arranged to meet them at his truck, so the only reason for the change in plan is that his plan changed, and he didn't intend to return to his truck.
He says he was "looking for a street sign" which is just ludicrous: in the community where he'd lived for years [and patrolled for burglars, vagrants, and suspicious people], there were only 3 streets - if he didn't know which street the mailboxes were on, where he got out of his truck, he was too stupid to be a NW person.
He lied also about being unfamiliar with the Stand Your Ground law, and he had to request a new judge when the one who granted his bail said he is a liar who manipulated the system for his own benefit. Which was no more than the truth.
Oh, yeah: this is totally irrelevant, except that it shows his character: he let a friend throw a graduation party for him, because he said he'd graduated [while he wasn't even making passing grades!] - how's that for a real pal? And don't forget he got his wife charged with felony perjury - the guy is a sleazy liar, no question about it.

Zimmerman might have thought Martin was reaching for his gun. He wanted the cops to call him when they got there because the operator didn't know where he was and it was getting confused. The reason for him getting out of the truck doesn't matter because it wasn't illegal. He said he hadn't heard of Stand Your Ground before and the teacher from his class also said he never used the term while teaching. Again those are all minor details that mean little as to whether or not it was self defense.

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[LDB]

I'm pretty sure Martin was nowhere near an innocent child as some deem to paint him, probably not in the same state much less the same county or locality. I believe Martin could have proceeded directly home thereby eliminating any possibility of confrontation. Imperfect and questionable as Zimmerman may be, I doubt he's a murderer. Zimmerman was fully within his rights being armed, just as any other citizen would have been. That argument and debate should be dropped completely. It's a sad situation that has ruined all the lives involved.

 

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[Turtle]

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[xiggi]

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[xmudman]

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[Maverick]

Another side show trial for American public consumption. These things happen every day in this country. Every day.....

They have to keep trotting out everything but the real news. Some wanna be cop shoots an attacker in Florida? This requires some circus show media event? Realize it's a soap box discussion, but my take on this one was a big yawn all the way. Every truck stop encountered was tuned to this circus, and could not believe the glazed stare of these patrons, as they're life somehow hinged on the outcome.

Innocent people are beaten and shot up every day. Why the big fuss over this one? You got it, because the old one had moved along and we needed another show to begin. And there was a plethora of evidence to convict OJ, but it became a race trial, just as described here:

The George Zimmerman trial: life and death in the American psyop « Jon Rappoport's Blog

 

[Ragman]

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[Brisco]

45 mins of fireworks going on after the verdict by my home. IDK but that seems a little...dare I use the word..insensitive

We had some minor celebrations here. Makes me sick.

Unfortunately someone lost their life and another's is ruined, there is nothing to celebrate.

Yes, there was a "Loss" of a "Life" involved in this case.........There was really the Loss of 2 Lives though.

In one Hand........Take Trayvon for Example.........the road he was heading down....of which is all out in the open on the Internet for ALL to see (Since the MSM REFUSES to portray the REAL Trayvon Martin)........was NOT one that was leading him to being a responsible young man.......nor a responsible / respectable adult. In that Instance............was there really that much of a Loss of a Life????

Nah................Not Really..................

On the other hand..........another Life really has NO Future left in it due to reasons beyond it's control. Due to IGNORANCE all Across this Country...........George Zimmerman will probably never be able to walk into a 7/11 on a Hot Summer afternoon to grab a Slurpee without looking over his shoulder because of the False Accusations, Assumptions, and outright badgering against him that has been brought forth from not only from some in his Local Ignorant Community, but also as High Up as the Ignorant President of the United States we have in Office Today.

Yes.........there was a WHOLE LOTTA Celebratin'.....Hootin' & Hollerin'.........and Happy Happy Times going on at the Brisco Ranch all throughout Saturday Night!!! Hopefully this was just the first "SHOT HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD" for this Generation.............It was a SHOT straight through the Heart of this Administrations Tyrannical Oppressive ways against the INNOCENT Citizens of this once great Country...........and with ALL HOPE.......will be followed with many MORE SHOTS......as many needed........Until we get this country out from under the "Hope and Change" Mistake it made back in 2008.

So........If anyone does feel the Need to REJOICE in this Verdict......Even though there was an actual "Death" in this whole matter..........DO NOT Hesitate to Enjoy yourself to CELEBRATE this "Just Cause".........For it very well could be the Greatest Event this Country has had in quite a while...........I know for sure I will Continue to CELEBRATE.................