Yep time for a strike - thanks GM!

[grog111]

RE: Strike sort of over - whimps

I imagine they have cracked down recently, my step father retired just three years ago, and honestly they were starting to crack down a bit then. I think that went into his reasoning when he did retire. I just don't like the way that how on every news report i saw, the union spokesperson would present the argument like this, "WE ARE FIGHTING TO RETAIN HEALTH BENEFITS TO OUR MEMBERSHIP THAT WERE PROMISED TO THEM!!!!....plus some other....um...minor....um.....things......um........and....um....uh,did i mention HEALTH BENIFITS FOR RETIREES!!!! There are lots of other issues, Delphi ,visteon, automotive managment split offs, buy outs, lower wages for new hires, different benefit options and retirement plans. But its residual fall out from the hay days. There is alot to clean up. They have a long way to go, but if the UAW doesn't recognize the damage that has been done over the last 30 years jobs will continue to march south, (and north for that matter, but that's more of a high cost of health care issue).

 

[jasonsprouse]

RE: Strike sort of over -

I have to agree with the previous couple posts. Things have changed with the new contracts (known as COA Competitive Operating Agreement and MOA Modern Operating Agreement).

The plants my family worked in (Cleveland) got rid of the timeclocks and the security guards at the gates because both were a source of loss and theft. Now the foremen record who is there and not, and employees go through turnstyles at the gates operated by microchip badges.

It was once common for the guards to allow employees to steal from the plant in exchange for part of the proceeds!!

 

[dhalltoyo]

RE: Strike sort of over -

In response to a previous post by a retired UAW member, I live with walking distance of the DMAX plant and behind it sits a GM Truck assembly plant. My father was a GM employee who was able to get his degree through GMI and become an electrical engineer. He has seen both sides of the issue and I have lived amongst the culture for years.

All of the old members are always pro union. Why? Because when GM (Ford and Chrylser too) began to sell off Delco (Delphi) and other interests, GM (Ford and Chrylser too) told the UAW to either consider concessions or face plant closures. Guess what the tenured, loyal UAW brotherhood chose to do.

They sold the incoming hires down the road. Yep! They held their $25.00 per hour jobs and all new hires worked for less than half of their rate.

Loyalty? To their own pockets and way of living. We call it greed. Just step on everybody else as you climb to the top. Enjoy your toys at the expense of others.

PS. Friends don't let friends vote dumb. Hillary Ramrod Clintonesta and cast of thousands will make America a Social Welfare State just like Great Britian, where one third of the people work to support the other two thirds. Gee, sort of like the unions in this country.

 

[greg334]

RE: Strike sort of over -

David,
Sorry this is the long way around the barn.

I had to buy a dictionary for my wife today and went out of my way to go to Novi to buy it. When I was in line, I had some girl looking at the magazine I had in my hands. Eventually when I walked up to the counter to pay for it she followed me and started to talk to me about the cover. Her boy friend was behind the counter and the person on the cover was Bono. They both struggled to talk to me on an intellectual level about artist rights and how Bono forced the US congress to extend the 'unfair' 25 years and then public domain for artists. I pointed out that they were wrong and they need to go back to college and demand they get their money back because they were ignorant of the truth and I pointed out that it was not Bono but Sonny Bono who was named on the bill but that the GATT agreement had something to do with it and when I said the copy right system of our country has been Bas***dized to fit into the European system and I believe in the public good over artist rights 25 years and that's it, they were silent. It all went over their heads so they changed the subject.

They started with the usual cr*p Bush, the war and the sorry state Michigan is in, which is Bush's fault. Well that got me going on Granholm, the ignorance of the people to reelect her and then tolerate the graft and cronyism that her administration is openly practicing when the state is bleeding to death, the need to worry about a company like GM when they only provide 2.23% of employment in the state in an industry that provides only 11% overall employment and that with the recent strike many focused on the new beginning for GM while at the same time forgetting that we still live in an impoverished state that no one really cares about. Which all led me to explaining to these two dim bulbs what I have in my signature line.

But the moral of the story is this; I know that the union people will vote for Hillary, even though her husband was one of the biggest reasons that jobs are leaving the country. I know that many of them follow what the union tells them to do, vote for this candidate or that candidate because they like unions. I know that many are brainwashed into thinking that the people who will not save this country are anything but Obama or Hillary and that these two people I talked to today proved to me we are lost. I hear that conservatives are mindnumb robots of some talk show host or another but in reality the people who believe in the union as a leadership and follow them blindly are the real one's who are mindnumbed. I only say all of this because we have to face facts and the reality of the political system we have allowed happen, we have to understand without a doubt what is happening here in Michigan with the graft, cronyism, the chasing of businesses out of the state and the pending shut down of the state over the budget, we will see the same thing happen to the country if Hillary or Obama is elected president - without a doubt. We will end up going into a real depression I fear, we will see more jobs leaving the country and we will see stupid programs to expand Social Security and introduce socialized medicine that will ruin our medical industries.

 

[dhalltoyo]

RE: Strike sort of over -

Greg,

Yep!

America will get the desires of its heart.

God tries the reins. He pulls a little, one way or another, to get us back on track, but if we continue to buck His leading, He drops the reins and allow us to try and run things without His leading.

I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jeremiah 17:10

Folks have no clue as to God's will for this nation.

Why? In 1964, we threw the prayer, the Bible and God out of the public school system. Unfortunately, most kids were not getting anything spiritual at home, so the school was their last hope.

I heard a preacher tell me years ago, "Remove God from the schools and you'll have to bring in the fire hoses to wash the blood off the walls." I challenge you to find me one case of a school shooting before 1964; if it does exist, it would be the exception that proves the rule.

Most Americans know nothing about the Bible. I talk with kids today and they think that Noah is some NBA star. Most do not have a clue that God is directly opposed to unions. Read Matthew 20:1-15.

Of course, that is the way they want things to be. No one wants his or her conscience pricked. God forbid. If that were to happen, folks might start thinking about others instead of themselves.

Yes, America will get the desires of its heart. Unfortunately, many will suffer needlessly.

 

[greg334]

RE: Strike sort of over -

David,
Just a wee bit of a correction, the cases that determined this issue was in '62 and '63 - not '64.

Also did you know that in England and Wales, the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 states that all pupils in state schools must take part in a daily act of collective worship, unless their parents request that they be excused from attending (source Wiki and the British Humanist Association).

 

[dhalltoyo]

RE: Strike sort of over -

Greg,

I'll be the first to admit that I am very prone to getting the numbers transposed. Actually, it began in 1960: Murray filed a lawsuit (Murray v. Curlett) against the Baltimore School District in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. And yes, in 1963 the suit was won by O'Hair.

I was thinking of another of Madalyn Murray O'Hair's great claims to fame which did occur in 1964, "Life magazine referred to her as "the most hated woman in America."

Considering that Communists and Socialists are Atheists it requires no quantum leap in intelligence to understand why she hated God.

Murray attended meetings of the Socialist Workers Party in 1957 while living in a Baltimore townhouse with her sons, parents and brother. Her abrasive personality prevented her from holding long-term employment. (Hmmm, kind of sounds like some union leaders personalities; past and present) (Most that I have known personally were simply big mouths that the company couldn't fire so the they made a place for themselves in the union hierarchy). In 1959 she applied for Soviet citizenship. The following year, having gotten no response, she and her two children traveled by ship to Europe with the intention of defecting to the Soviet embassy in Paris and residing in the Soviet Union. The Soviets refused them entry. Madalyn and her sons returned to Baltimore in 1960.

Interesting that Walter Reuther of the UAW had his roots in Socialism and worked in a Soviet auto plant. Walter Reuther was born in Wheeling, W.V., on Sept. 1, 1907, the son of Valentine Reuther, a German socialist, and his wife, Anna Stocker. Reuther received an early education in socialism and union politics from his father. A visit to the prison where Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs was being held for his resistance to World War I made an indelible impression on the young Reuther, who became a committed Debsian socialist. Bored with his studies, Reuther dropped out of Wheeling High School at 16 and eventually became an apprentice tool-and-die maker. Reuther moved to Detroit in 1927, drawn by the Ford Motor Company's promise of high wages and a shorter workweek. He was joined by his younger brothers Victor and Roy.

The Great Depression consolidated the political and social activism of the Reuther brothers. Together with friends, they formed a Social Problems Club on campus and affiliated with the Socialist League of Industrial Democracy. They organized protests against establishing a Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) unit on campus. (Loyal Americans, they were not!) In 1932, Walter campaigned for Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. The following year, Walter and Victor began a nine-nation tour of Europe in Nazi Germany, ending it with a two-year stay in the Soviet Union, where the Reuther brothers worked at a massive automobile factory.

What a great legacy. Not!!!

 

[greg334]

RE: Strike sort of over -

David,
So true of what you speak. I have read a book I recommend to all - the forgotten man. I wrote a review on the book but I don't know where it is posted - I got paid to write it for someone else, so they can do what ever they want with it.

Anyway just the first five chapters pointed out what really went on during the first few years of the depression and how we ended up with the democrats being socialist(communists) disguised as Americans.

Why is it that people in colleges and professors have such a fascination with communism and socialism?

Are they that blind to the ideology that they don't see if you get another Lenin or Trotsky in power (God help us if we get another Stalin) that they will be the first to be taken in the dark of the night and hung by the street lamps?