Will this help Romney?

skyraider

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US Navy
He knows that his target is the independent voters, will this video hurt or help.

Mitt Romney on Obama Voters - YouTube

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Its human behavior, u give us free food and money for a life time, who u gonna vote for, yep your gonna vote for a democrat and that democrat him or herself now has a lifetime job stealing everyone eleses money to support him. It is a viscious circle isn't it. Makes sense to me.

But , but and but, you can only steal legally the working classes money for so long and someday they may revolt. One of the secrets to maintaining this stealing deal is to print more money and it works everytime and of course building another Walmart helps to , to pacify the working class that all is well and wonderful. Say it ain't so and show me or all of us who do not support free bennies and free money. Look to Detroit, Chicago, and the state of California and tell us how that free stuff is working for them...................
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
So, what part, of any of what he said, wasn't true?
47-49% OF ADULT AMERICANS don't pay income tax.
Palestinians ARE all about destroying Israel.
I admire him for speaking the truth! I only hope he doesn't back down.

Oh my goodness! and just where did I mention that any of it was not true?? :confused:

I wrote 3 words in response to the OP... 'or this one? ....'Will this help Romney'
and put a new link - the theorizing of what it all means is up to the individual

IMO of course :p
 

piattteam

Active Expediter
English one, I didn't mean you said it wasn't true. I was simply pointing out that what he said was true.
I hate that you are no longer allowed to speak the truth, because (usually the people the truth is about) someone may get their feathers ruffled.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Quote from the Video:

"There are 47% who are with him [Mr Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it."

Mr Romney also said in the video that his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Very very well said President Romney..................

Straight Ticket Republican this coming November. Need I say anything else....................
 

davekc

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Really nothing new here other than what was already known. Just an observation of givers supporting the takers and who they would vote for.
As for the border issues with Isreal, nothing really new there either.
 
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aristotle

Veteran Expediter
A rare moment of candor from Mitt. Maybe he is a clear-eyed realist after all. Why would he feel he can't say these truths with a megaphone all day long?
 

Turtle

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People hear what they want to hear. People watch the video, hear the words, read the words, and what they hear is Romney doesn't care about the 47% of Americans who are poor, because they're poor.

What he said was, as a candidate running for office trying to garner votes, he can't worry about the 47% of the people who will not vote for him under any circumstances, because it's a waste of time to concern himself with their votes.

People hear what they want to hear, on both sides. There are countless examples of conservatives soiling themselves over what they have heard Obama say, despite him not saying it.

What amazes me most about that sort of thing, looking at it closely, objectively and pragmatically, is the fact that there are 47% of Americans who are so deluded and messed up that they think their chains are actually jewelry, and that Obama has done a great job and deserves to be reelected. The other day I asked my step-dad, who is somewhere left of Obama, if he and we are better off now than we were four years ago, and without hesitation he said, "Absolutely! No question about it! Obama has created {some ridiculous number} jobs every month he's been in office (despite the unemployment numbers saying otherwise), he's reduced the unemployment rate, and he's (get this) reduced the debt considerably."

OMG. You can't even talk to someone like that.

The facts are, real economic growth during the recovery (now three years old) has averaged 2.2%, less than half of the historic average for post recession rebounds. Based on the historical precedent, we should be in the third year of a raging recovery boom by now. But instead we have suffered the worst economic recovery from a recession since the Great Depression. There are 1.1 million fewer people on non-farm payrolls today than when President Obama took office. The unemployment rate has been above 8% for 42 consecutive months, the longest period of sustained high unemployment since the Great Depression.

Passage of an $862 billion stimulus was promised to keep the unemployment rate from rising above 8%, compared to a projected 9% peak without the stimulus. Instead, the unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2008, and exceeded 9% for more than two years. Absent the stimulus, the unemployment rate was projected to fall below 7% during 2012. Yet, last month, it rose to 8.3%, in spite of 7.5 million people leaving the labor force, and therefore no longer being counted as unemployed. If the labor force participation rate had remained unchanged, the unemployment rate would now be above 11%.

My step-dad's response to that, "If it wasn't for Obama, it would be worse. Obama promised to fundamentally change America, and he's done that, and he'll finish the job when he gets reelected."

Well, he's certainly changed America fundamentally, I'll give him that one.

Since Obama took office an increase of 18 million people, now at 46 million, receive food stamps. Food stamp spending is up from $40 billion to $89 billion, an increase of 122%. 3.6 million people have been added to those receiving Social Security Disability payments, mostly due to being disabled from emotional stress at having their unemployment benefits run out. A 10 million person increase in those receiving Welfare, now ay 107 million people, which is one-third of the US population.

Obama has also greatly increased the power of the government, the Executive branch in particular. ObamaCare fundamentally changes the relationship between the Executive and Legislative branches of government. As we know, the law creates a 15 member “Independent Payment Advisory Board” which has the unilateral power to make and enforce laws, including rationing of health care and imposition of new taxes. Under ObamaCare, the IPAB proposals will have the force of law without the approval of Congress or the signature of the President. Congress may only block the IPAB rulings if both the House and Senate pass, and the President signs, an alternative that achieves the same budgetary result, but no circumstances are provided to reduce the ObamaCare budget.

The Dodd-Frank bill established a new regulatory body, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and gave it vast regulatory authority over consumer financial products and services. However, just like the IPAB, it is shielded from Congressional oversight and budget control by being located as a unit inside and funded by the Federal Reserve.

Obama has established the precedent of making recess appointments when the Senate is technically in session. And, he has established the power of his office to suspend laws he chooses not to implement (or existing laws he chooses not to abide by) by executive order, like the current Federal immigration laws. He's even reinterpreted the US Constitution to justify the killing of US citizens, without due process, simply because he deems in necessary.

My step-dad has no problem with any of this, because Obama good - Obama Progressive. Republicans bad - Republicans Regressive. He's definitely one of the 47% that Mittens shouldn't be wasting his time with.
 

davekc

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People hear what they want to hear. People watch the video, hear the words, read the words, and what they hear is Romney doesn't care about the 47% of Americans who are poor, because they're poor.

What he said was, as a candidate running for office trying to garner votes, he can't worry about the 47% of the people who will not vote for him under any circumstances, because it's a waste of time to concern himself with their votes.

People hear what they want to hear, on both sides. There are countless examples of conservatives soiling themselves over what they have heard Obama say, despite him not saying it.

What amazes me most about that sort of thing, looking at it closely, objectively and pragmatically, is the fact that there are 47% of Americans who are so deluded and messed up that they think their chains are actually jewelry, and that Obama has done a great job and deserves to be reelected. The other day I asked my step-dad, who is somewhere left of Obama, if he and we are better off now than we were four years ago, and without hesitation he said, "Absolutely! No question about it! Obama has created {some ridiculous number} jobs every month he's been in office (despite the unemployment numbers saying otherwise), he's reduced the unemployment rate, and he's (get this) reduced the debt considerably."

OMG. You can't even talk to someone like that.

The facts are, real economic growth during the recovery (now three years old) has averaged 2.2%, less than half of the historic average for post recession rebounds. Based on the historical precedent, we should be in the third year of a raging recovery boom by now. But instead we have suffered the worst economic recovery from a recession since the Great Depression. There are 1.1 million fewer people on non-farm payrolls today than when President Obama took office. The unemployment rate has been above 8% for 42 consecutive months, the longest period of sustained high unemployment since the Great Depression.

Passage of an $862 billion stimulus was promised to keep the unemployment rate from rising above 8%, compared to a projected 9% peak without the stimulus. Instead, the unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2008, and exceeded 9% for more than two years. Absent the stimulus, the unemployment rate was projected to fall below 7% during 2012. Yet, last month, it rose to 8.3%, in spite of 7.5 million people leaving the labor force, and therefore no longer being counted as unemployed. If the labor force participation rate had remained unchanged, the unemployment rate would now be above 11%.

My step-dad's response to that, "If it wasn't for Obama, it would be worse. Obama promised to fundamentally change America, and he's done that, and he'll finish the job when he gets reelected."

Well, he's certainly changed America fundamentally, I'll give him that one.

Since Obama took office an increase of 18 million people, now at 46 million, receive food stamps. Food stamp spending is up from $40 billion to $89 billion, an increase of 122%. 3.6 million people have been added to those receiving Social Security Disability payments, mostly due to being disabled from emotional stress at having their unemployment benefits run out. A 10 million person increase in those receiving Welfare, now ay 107 million people, which is one-third of the US population.

Obama has also greatly increased the power of the government, the Executive branch in particular. ObamaCare fundamentally changes the relationship between the Executive and Legislative branches of government. As we know, the law creates a 15 member “Independent Payment Advisory Board” which has the unilateral power to make and enforce laws, including rationing of health care and imposition of new taxes. Under ObamaCare, the IPAB proposals will have the force of law without the approval of Congress or the signature of the President. Congress may only block the IPAB rulings if both the House and Senate pass, and the President signs, an alternative that achieves the same budgetary result, but no circumstances are provided to reduce the ObamaCare budget.

The Dodd-Frank bill established a new regulatory body, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and gave it vast regulatory authority over consumer financial products and services. However, just like the IPAB, it is shielded from Congressional oversight and budget control by being located as a unit inside and funded by the Federal Reserve.

Obama has established the precedent of making recess appointments when the Senate is technically in session. And, he has established the power of his office to suspend laws he chooses not to implement (or existing laws he chooses not to abide by) by executive order, like the current Federal immigration laws. He's even reinterpreted the US Constitution to justify the killing of US citizens, without due process, simply because he deems in necessary.

My step-dad has no problem with any of this, because Obama good - Obama Progressive. Republicans bad - Republicans Regressive. He's definitely one of the 47% that Mittens shouldn't be wasting his time with.

This should be a EO infraction. Especially from a moderator. You shouldn't be confusing some with the facts.:cool:
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
My opinion on it is I like what he is saying because it is to the point. There is no dancing around the possibility he might hurt someone's feelings which is what politicians normally do. This is the type of speech that would more likely get him support because you can tell it is honest and how he feels. When I listen to most politicians speak you can hear them sidestep the question and then the rest of what they say is considered a lie.

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bobwg

Expert Expediter
Heres a report heard on the news Afganistan US Military Deaths, 1/3 of the deaths occured under Bush, while 2/3 of the deaths have come under Obama. Also as I think I remember they said approx 14,000 have been wounded under Obama compared to something like 3000 under Bush
 

Brisco

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My opinion on it is I like what he is saying because it is to the point. There is no dancing around the possibility he might hurt someone's feelings which is what politicians normally do.

I just watched the video of his News Conference last night over these remarks......

Romney Holds Presser On Tapes: Obama's Plan "Attractive To Those Who Don't Pay Taxes" | RealClearPolitics

Honestly.....IMO......he wasn't strong enough when giving this news briefing......

I'd like to see him go all Chris Christie on the controversy over this. He was pandering to the questions.....Period.

I would've preferred to hear him say "Yeah.....I said it.....So What"........."If you can't handle the truth.....then don't Vote for me".

That in itself would've bolstered ones thoughts of him....and probably would've garnered him a whole lot more supporters than this little "explanation speech" he just gave.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I just watched the video of his News Conference last night over these remarks......

Romney Holds Presser On Tapes: Obama's Plan "Attractive To Those Who Don't Pay Taxes" | RealClearPolitics

Honestly.....IMO......he wasn't strong enough when giving this news briefing......

I'd like to see him go all Chris Christie on the controversy over this. He was pandering to the questions.....Period.

I would've preferred to hear him say "Yeah.....I said it.....So What"........."If you can't handle the truth.....then don't Vote for me".

That in itself would've bolstered ones thoughts of him....and probably would've garnered him a whole lot more supporters than this little "explanation speech" he just gave.

That is because he is working very hard NOT to lose. He is not trying to win. Pretty timid for a man who is seeking an office that would give him control of the means to destroy most life on earth. We need strong, not weak and timid, we have that now.
 

Mdbtyhtr

Expert Expediter
I believe the issues are that this type of talk, although I agree with Briscoe on all points, would push the independents to Obama and cost him the election.

Scott
 
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