Will the Boy Scouts be Obama's next target for destruction?
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No, no one can explain it, because the question is based on a false premise. The Boy Scouts of America isn't a Christian organization. It's a Christian-based organization. There's a difference.
But while they are Christian-based, they were founded by W.D. Boyce on the foundation they would not discriminate on the basis of race or creed. That stipulation was non-negotiable when Bryce retired from the Scouts to return to newspaper publishing and turned things over to James West and the Executive Board, who continued the policy. There were protests early on, especially in the South, over the inclusion of blacks in Scouting. Some troops in the South threatened to leave BSA and burn their uniforms if African American Scouts were permitted, but West refused to back down. He established the position that African Americans would be included, but that local communities should follow the same policies that they followed in the school systems. That in effect segregated the Scouts into "white troops" and "colored troops" until they reintegrated them after WWII. This meant that "colored" Scout Troops could exist, generally with "colored" Scoutmasters.
Because the BSA was primarily Protestant-founded, the Catholic Church prohibited their boys to join. Catholics accepted the BSA much on the same model that the blacks were included, where the Troops would be Catholic-only, and be led only by Catholic adults as the Scoutmasters. The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints quickly did the same. Other groups followed, including Jewish Troops like the one pictured above.
The BSA is a national organization, but it's community driven, sponsored by local communities and churches and run out of schools by parent-teacher organizations. Many of the Scout meetings take place as these schools and churches, community recreation centers, and in some cases, synagogs.
There's nothing in the Scout oath, law or constitution about being reverent to, or even believing in Jesus in particular, but there is about recognizing an obligation to God. Jews can play, too. The BSA welcomes all of the major religions, actually, including <gasp> Islam. There are many BSA Muslim Scout Troops, sponsored by mosques or Islamic Centers. More than 100 of them, actually. Worldwide, nearly one third of all Boy Scouts are Muslim. There is a significant Jewish membership, as well.
Mulsims, Jews, Catholics, even Protestants all function within the lessons of Scouting. Scouting always has been primarily about faith communities passing along their religion and values to their children in a way that is fun, educational, and helps prepare them for adult life. It's never been about one particular religion, however.
Incidentally, the National Scouting Museum was first opened in 1959 in New Brunswick, NJ. It closed in 1979. In 1986 the museum reopened on the campus of Murray State University in Murray, KY. Museum officials had optimistically predicted that 120,000 people annually would visit the middle-of-nowhere Kentucky location, but by the late 1990s, yearly attendance was under 20,000. In October 2002 the museum moved to its present location in Irving, Texas.
Actually, it's one of the official ones from BSA. But each local Troop can design their own, with whatever colors and patches they like.
Turtle..
Thank you for hitting on the details like I said its been a while since I was in Scouts.
Im sure everybody you can agree If you look at any religious scripture that hasn't been bustardized by the P.C. crowd that they do agree that homosexuality is totaly unacceptable and is totaly ars backwards from the scout law.
Thank you for hitting on the details like I said its been a while since I was in Scouts.
Im sure everybody you can agree If you look at any religious scripture that hasn't been bustardized by the P.C. crowd that they do agree that homosexuality is totaly unacceptable and is totaly ars backwards from the scout law.
paullud
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Actually I would say that homosexuals are a much higher percentage of pedophiles than heterosexuals. There seems to be way more pedophiles arrested for touching boys.
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Thank you, O shelled master of knowledge.
Please define sodomite and if your definition includes the word "sodomy", please define sodomy.
Can you share the source of these numbers with which you are familiar? Also, just exactly how familiar are you with numbers?
Sorry, but my dictionary is broken. Could you also define sexual deviant for me?
Same here. I was very active when I was in it, though I never made Eagle Scout. But I also helped a little in getting the National Museum opened up here in Murray. I helped with the research and campaigning for it, mostly. There's a kid a couple of doors down who is really into it. He's 13 and is looking at maybe getting into Venture Scouting, which is a part of the BSA, but more hardcore.
I seriously don't think you have to look at scriptures, or even know how to read, to know that homosexuality in an unacceptable aberration that should not be embraced, enthusiastically or otherwise, as normal.
well that goes against everything i learned Lord William Badon Powell of England started the first Boy Scouts
LOL!
I like your definition breakdown for a devient
True, you dont realy need to be a Bible thumper to know right from wrong I just wanted to clarify to the more limp wristed weak spined I dont want to offend you bunch where to find accurate referance how to live like a civil human being.
I like your definition breakdown for a devient
True, you dont realy need to be a Bible thumper to know right from wrong I just wanted to clarify to the more limp wristed weak spined I dont want to offend you bunch where to find accurate referance how to live like a civil human being.
I notice the definition of deviancy makes no mention of sexual orientation.....
Conservatives do, though, hoping to establish a link between homosexuality and child abuse that simply doesn't exist. The most extensive effort is a piece written by Timothy Daily titled "Homosexuality and Child Abuse" that is 'supported' by 76 footnotes. Not one of which supports Mr Daily's contentions - in fact, most actually refute it in no uncertain terms.
Perhaps AMonger can provide some solid facts to back his statements, but I couldn't, and I searched for it. [I would rather find out on my own that I'm wrong about something, than be embarrased by someone who can prove it - when I'm not 100% sure, I will look for the facts.]
Two points AMonger doesn't seem to grasp: the declaration of homosexuality as immoral is a religious belief, and while he's free to maintain his beliefs, they are simply not facts, and imposing them on anyone [or everyone] else is not permitted.
Second, pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, and girl children are molested about 3 times more often than boys. That alone says the pedophiles are NOT homosexually oriented.
I have no problem with the Scouts keeping homosexuals out - they're a private organization, and that's their right. I only hope they are as vigilant in protecting children from the real danger of pedophiles as the perceived danger of homosexuals.
Conservatives do, though, hoping to establish a link between homosexuality and child abuse that simply doesn't exist. The most extensive effort is a piece written by Timothy Daily titled "Homosexuality and Child Abuse" that is 'supported' by 76 footnotes. Not one of which supports Mr Daily's contentions - in fact, most actually refute it in no uncertain terms.
Perhaps AMonger can provide some solid facts to back his statements, but I couldn't, and I searched for it. [I would rather find out on my own that I'm wrong about something, than be embarrased by someone who can prove it - when I'm not 100% sure, I will look for the facts.]
Two points AMonger doesn't seem to grasp: the declaration of homosexuality as immoral is a religious belief, and while he's free to maintain his beliefs, they are simply not facts, and imposing them on anyone [or everyone] else is not permitted.
Second, pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, and girl children are molested about 3 times more often than boys. That alone says the pedophiles are NOT homosexually oriented.
I have no problem with the Scouts keeping homosexuals out - they're a private organization, and that's their right. I only hope they are as vigilant in protecting children from the real danger of pedophiles as the perceived danger of homosexuals.
That dreary old queen may have started the Boy Scouts, but this thread is deals with the Boy Scouts of America.
Bob, remember this is a family website. Please reword your post.
The whole shorts thing on a 60 yr old is pretty ghey.
Figures USA always the follower never the leader LOL
Nothing I've typed goes against that. The Boy Scouts of America was indeed founded by W.D. Boyce, although Ernest Thompson Seton certainly influenced Baden-Powell (as in gave him the idea), and strongly influenced Boyce, and even wrote, among other things, the Boy Scout Handbook. Seton had his own youth organization, the Woodcraft Indians, which he merged with Daniel Beard's Sons of Daniel Boone and joined the Boy Scouts of America, which is really when it all began.
Seton was the BSA's first Chief Scout for nearly 5 years, and is mostly responsible for the Indian elements of the BSA. Both Seton and Beard could legitimately take credit for the creation of the Boy Scouts of America, although it was Boyce who really put it all together. Seton didn't play well and get along with Boyce, or Beard, or West, which is why Boyce left and why Seton was finally retired as Chief Scout. ET Seton Park in Toronto is named after him, because he grew up there after having moved to Canada from England when he was about 6.
The greater Cincinnati chapter of the Boy Scouts is called the Dan Beard Council, of which I was a member for a long time. The Dan Beard Council is served by the Ku-Ni-Eh Lodge of the Order of the Arrow.
Daniel Beard was from Cincinnati, and grew up in Covington, where there is a life-size statue of him and a Boy Scout on 3rd St, where Beard grew up. His home is a National Landmark. He served as one of the National Scout Commissioners for 30 years, was the long-time editor of Boys Life magazine, and founded Troop 1 in Flushing, NY, the oldest continuously chartered Boy Scout Troop in the US. He also illustrated many of Mark Twain's books. There is elementary school in Flushing named after him, as well as a mall. There's also an elementary school in Chicago named after him. When you take I-471 across the Ohio River, you are driving on the Daniel Carter Beard Bridge.
Lord Baden-Powell started the Boy Scouts Association, in England, which was the inspiration for Boyce to start the Boy Scouts of America. Boyce met a Scout in London on his way through town to an African safari, and when he returned to London he gathered more information on the Scouting program. It was about 9 months later when he founded Boy Scouts of America. Like in England, the interest was phenomenal. Because of the success in England, and then in the US, Baden-Powell in 1920 founded the World Organization of the Scout Movement, headquartered in Geneva, to promote Scouting in other countries and to guide and govern the various national Scouting organizations. There are currently 31 million Scouts worldwide.
But it was actually Ernest Thompson Seton, with his book The Birch Bark Roll of the Woodcraft Indians, that inspired Baden-Powell to form the Boy Scouts Association. Seton founded his Woodcraft Indians group in 1902. Dan Beard founded his Sons of Daniel Boone in 1905. Baden-Powell formed the Boy Scouts Association in 1907, after meeting Seton in 1906. The Boy Scouts of America was founded in 1910.
AMonger
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The broader, more traditional definition of sodomy includes all unnatural sex acts between any partners. Today, when one uses the term sodomite or sodomy, one is referring to the specific set of unnatural sex acts involved in
gotry. I'd love to, but it's been a while. I imagine updated statistics are available online, but I find it hard to imagine they change much. People are still people and sin is still sin.
I'm sure you're aware that a deviant is one who deviates from the norm, especially when it involves perversion.
