Why we don't need liberals ideas

layoutshooter

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Nothing.

Nope,

You believe that they WANT to stop what is going on and NOT disarm the population? IF SO, why are they ONLY trying to disarm us? :confused: After all, EVERY plan they float is aimed ONLY at law abiding citizens.
 

Ragman

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You believe that they WANT to stop what is going on and NOT disarm the population? IF SO, why are they ONLY trying to disarm us? :confused: After all, EVERY plan they float is aimed ONLY at law abiding citizens.
I think they really feel their plan or plans will help stop the madness, but their is no grand conspiracy to dis-arm anybody.
 

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I think they really feel their plan or plans will help stop the madness, but their is no grand conspiracy to dis-arm anybody.

Have you looked at what they write? Have you even looked at the plans? Have ANY of the restrictions on law abiding citizens worked? Why are they NOT trying things that ONLY target criminals? How will doing away with part of the Bill of Rights DECREASE crime?
 

LDB

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I think they really feel their plan or plans will help stop the madness, but their is no grand conspiracy to dis-arm anybody.

Now that I've quit driving I'm selling my bridge. This post suggests you are a prime candidate to buy.
 

Ragman

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Now that I've quit driving I'm selling my bridge. This post suggests you are a prime candidate to buy.
I'll reiterate . . .

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Hey, didn't answer me! LOL!! There are really only two choices, they are absolutely stupid to believe that making criminals out of law abiding citizens will end this, OR, they are out to disarm the American people.
 

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Bingo!!!


They don't have the smarts to even consider the ramifications of trying something so ridiculous.

IF they are THAT stupid, what are they doing in office in the first place? :confused: How can someone THAT stupid gadgeeate from college or eat?
 

layoutshooter

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Hard to believe that there are THAT many toopid idgeeits out there. IF that is the case, we are in SERIOUS trouble. It is almost impossible to fight stupid.
 

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I still want to know why we have to ONLY restrict the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens instead of those of criminals?
You keep asking that same question over and over, because no one is answering. The reason no one is answering it is because it's a silly question with a false premise. They don't ONLY restrict the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens - they restrict the rights and freedoms of criminals like crazy. Convicted felons can't vote, or possess a firearm. I'm not sure what you'd call that if it's not a restriction.

Incidentally, 37% of people arrested and convicted of a crime committed with a firearm used a family member's weapon. 40% used a weapon from an illegal source. That leaves a lot of room for legally obtaind guns by law abiding citizens who have used those guns in a criminal manner.

What was wrong with tagging ID's?
Other than being the government doing the tagging, nothing.

Can't buy a gun without one, why pay for and require FBI investigations of every law abiding citizen that wishes to own a firearm? Could it be that they ONLY have other motives?
I think the real reason behind it is to prevent criminals from buying guns. The first real gun control Act was in 1968, which was in response to Lee Harvey Oswald buying a rifle vial mail order (at the direction of Alan Dulles, of course).
 

RLENT

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You keep asking that same question over and over, because no one is answering. The reason no one is answering it is because it's a silly question with a false premise.
Oh but the DRAMA of it all !

And the HUMANITY !

 

cheri1122

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Take the number of restaurants there are, times the number of days in a year they are open, and divide that into the the number of incidents where it was beneficial to have someone carrying in the restaurant. It's a really, really small percentage, not nearly high enough to use that as a week reasoned argument. It makes for a bang-up emotional argument, tho.[/QUOTE


Not if it involves my wife's life and safety, my life and safety or the safety of any other law abiding citizen. ONE time being robbed shot or killed by one of the thugs out there is one too many.

It boils down to this one, very cold, very hard, fact: NO government, at ANY level, can EVER guarantee the safety of 100% of the people 100% of the time. It falls on the individual to do what ever they choose to try to protect their own lives and property. ANYONE who attempts to interfere with the absolute right of self defense cannot be trusted.

"One time being shot is one too many" - that's precisely the motive of the gun control folks, and there's a LOT of them, [just the family & friends of everyone who has been killed by gunfire] and they have a legitimate point.
And here's a newsflash: carrying a weapon, concealed or openly, will not guarantee your safety 100% of the time, either, because nothing and no one can do that. It could, however, give a false sense of security, and you could be shot by someone with faster reflexes. And wouldn't that be ironic? :rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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And here's a newsflash: carrying a weapon, concealed or openly, will not guarantee your safety 100% of the time, either, because nothing and no one can do that. It could, however, give a false sense of security, and you could be shot by someone with faster reflexes. And wouldn't that be ironic? :rolleyes:
Not nearly as ironic as carrying and being disarmed by some skel ... and then being shot with one's own weapon ...
 

cheri1122

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Not nearly as ironic as carrying and being disarmed by some skel ... and then being shot with one's own weapon ...

That's why I don't carry Mace or pepper spray: I saw a woman in the hospital who had hers used against her, and it wasn't pretty.
Well, that and the fact that if I really thought I needed to use it, I might be so discombobulated that I sprayed it with the nozzle pointing the wrong way. :eek:
 

LDB

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We better disarm all police so they aren't at risk of having their own gun used against them. We should all just lay down and give up. The criminals have won. We're helpless and incapable. We can't possibly believe in ourselves, in our skill and ability. Yep, the "skels" are in charge now. Surrender.
 

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We better disarm all police so they aren't at risk of having their own gun used against them. We should all just lay down and give up. The criminals have won. We're helpless and incapable. We can't possibly believe in ourselves, in our skill and ability. Yep, the "skels" are in charge now. Surrender.
The numbers vary from year to year, but stays within a range of generally 8-10 percent. What numbers, you might ask? It's the number of police officers killed with their own or another officer's department-issued firearm by someone who took the gun away from the officers.
 

RLENT

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Re: Why we don't need liberal's ideas

Another take on the NRA's disavowal and chastisement:

OPEN SCARY
10:25 AM JUNE 2, 2014

'OPEN CARRY' IDIOTS SO DUMB EVEN THE NRA IS YELLING AT THEM NOW

by DOKTOR ZOOM

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So here's how goofy the National Dialogue has gotten: The NRA is asking groups like Open Carry Texas if they could please tone it down a little bit. Apparently all that gun-packing in public is just not having the desired effect of making the public fall in love with people walking into restaurants with assault weapons. In fact, for some dumb reason, large groups of people waving guns around seems to make people nervous, probably because they are all just indoctrinated by the liberal media to fear Freedom. And so, on Friday, the NRA issued a long statement explaining, in essence, that scaring the **** out of people is not good Public Relations.

The statement notes that maybe, just maybe, walking around with assault rifles, while legal, was not making any friends:

As gun owners, whether or not our decisions are dictated by the law, we are still accountable for them … If we exercise poor judgment, our decisions will have consequences … such as turning an undecided voter into an antigun voter because of causing that person fear or offense. In ways small and large, we are all in this together, and we all have a role to play in preserving our cherished freedoms for ourselves and future generations.

This is a diplomatic way of moving toward the "please stop being dicks, you dicks" part of the message, which is careful to praise Texas's "robust gun culture" but then says some downright traitorous stuff, saying that recent actions have "crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness."

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn’t ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places.

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let’s not mince words, not only is it rare, it’s downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one’s cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.​

In other words, it’s pretty clear that the NRA is a bunch of wusses who fear the manly display of guns. Oh, sure, maybe the NRA thinks that it’s not working, and that it's "counterproductive for the gun owning community," but isn't asking groups like Open Carry Texas not to parade around with their boomsticks just the first step toward the NRA advocating gun registration and confiscation? It's exactly the same thing. Oh, sure, they phrase it in "positive" language:

More to the point, it’s just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

But what is this nonsense about "manners"? Has the NRA forgotten the most basic tenet of responsible gun fondling? An armed society is a polite society. Ergo, you cannot truly be rude if you are carrying a Street Sweeper.

We're looking forward to the Open Carry Texas loons' next action, which should be, if there's any justice, to show up at NRA headquarters in Virginia and demand to be allowed to walk around the building while packing heat.

[MotherJones / Photo Credit: Andy Jacobsen, Dallas Morning News]

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