Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?
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ripnrunning
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Because most of us {TEXT DELETED} would have shot the 12 year old, if we were in the same situation. It doesn't always have to be about race.
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Amazing! Amazing and disturbing that some police departments have followed the trucking industry's philosophy that any warm body will do. If criminal charges are filed, it should be against the people in the Cleveland PD that allowed this immature, psychological wreck to be hired. I'm sure even McDonalds reviews personnel records from previous employers, if for nothing more than to check for excessive absenteeism.
My son has been a cop for 3½ years. 2½ years in a small town (pop. 10,000) and the past year with a large Minneapolis suburban (pop. 70,000) police department. He graduated magna cum laude with a double major, Law Enforcement/Spanish (he takes after his mother). Both departments had an extensive vetting process and both departments required an 8 hour psychological evaluation. The first PD conducted phone interviews with all his references including high school teachers. The police chief was personal friends with one of my son's colleges professors so I'm sure he go more info than had he not been a friend. The captain of this PD came to our home and interviewed my wife and I. I'm sure they also ran his name through some FBI and/or NSA computers.
The second department sent out a detective to interview all personal references including interviewing our neighbors and his high school teachers in person. This PD also requires all officers to be certified EMTs. He is currently away from patrol duties and is attending EMT training 8 hours a day for 5 weeks.
Maybe Minnesota has higher standards for LEOs than other states. Certainly higher than Cleveland! Cleveland's hiring standards are even lower than those of Mayberry. At least Deputy Fife was only allowed one bullet and that was kept in his pocket.
Slo-Ride
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Talk about shining a new light on matters. Good digging there Turtle.
Not sure it will change the investigation but certainly makes ya think he had weapon drawn prior to arrival and came out shooting before the car was stopped.
It's highly likely you would be in jail or out on bail right now awaiting charges of murder or manslaughter if you had done the same thing the cops did. Notice in the video the cop jumps out of the car and immediately shoots the kid, THEN takes cover behind the cruiser. Why did they pull up so close to him in the first place if they thought he was an older individual and considered him a threat with a loaded handgun? If he had been some gangbanger he could have shot the cop on the passenger side - possibly both of them - before they even got out of the car. Apparently neither of these cops had any training whatsoever. No attempt was made to talk the kid out of the gun from behind the cruiser at a safer distance; remember, these cop cars have loudspeakers. Both these cops should be held accountable and tried for murder for this kid's death.
Tamir Rice: police release video of 12-year-old's fatal shooting ? video | US news | The Guardian
Hard to believe there's no riots and national outrage considering the obvious incompetence of this cop and the level of negligence and mismanagement by the administration of this police department, as pointed out in Turtle's post. Instead there's still h*ll being raised about the Ferguson shooting, which turned out to be a justified shooting of an adult thug.
Another angle to consider is, it was the veteran cop who was driving, and he may have pulled up so close because he specifically did NOT consider the kid a threat, and had planned to handle things quickly and peacefully without ever getting out of the cruiser.
On the other hand, as you noted, there seem to be some serious training and competency issues with the Cleveland PD, so this could ba a case of not just the shooter, but Dumb and Dumber With Badges and Guns.
Depends on how it goes. If this gets swept under the rug and the cops are ruled to have done nothing wrong, as so many of these cop shootings are ruled, it'll be a very different story. Look at the choke hold death in New York, where despite the evidence, including the video that showed exactly what happened, and the coroner ruling it a homicide, the grand jury chose not to indict, thanks in no small part to the direction they were led by the prosecutor. There's simply no way you can look at that video and the coroner's statement and not conclude there is probable cause that a crime had taken place, unless, you were prodded in that direction by a prosecutor who deals with the police on a daily basis and depends on them for evidence. When prosecutors barely scrutinize the cops in these questionable shootings, it doesn't take long for people to lose trust in a corrupt system.
Again, here's a prosecutor who works closely with the police on a daily basis, who is on the same side as the police, and has a history of not prosecuting police in shootings. Yeah, it was officially deemed a justified shooting, by a grand jury led by a prosecutor in that context. People don't trust it. Even if it was really and truly a justified shooting, people don't trust it. The police (who will protect their own) and prosecutors (who protect the police) have been crying wolf for so long by ruling unjustified shootings as justified, it doesn't even matter anymore.
Maybe so, but they should have at least decided on the framework of a game plan before approaching the kid. If they weren't aware of his age or that the gun might be a fake, you would think they would have employed more caution. If this had been an adult on drugs with a real gun he could have shot the cruiser full of holes and possibly killed both of them before they were even out of their seat belts.
Now there's an issue that justifies peasants with pitchforks taking to the streets. Much as I hate to say it, the Feds should really be into this case to prosecute these cops for civil rights violations. Garner was guilty of nothing but selling cigs and not collecting taxes - a misdemeanor under NY state law and the polar opposite of Ferguson, even worse than the Rodney King case since it resulted in the death of a man who posed no threat to the cops. With that in mind, will the Feds try to make a racial issue of it considering there was a black female police sergeant on the scene supervising the officers who were supposed to make the arrest but instead assaulted and killed Eric Garner? Of course they will.
I know you say that with a hint of sardonic derision, but yeah, kinda, pretty much. What other avenues of recourse do they have left open to them? Everything the police does, the police say is justified. There's a shocker. The police even create policies and procedures that allow them to justify pretty much whatever they do. Then there are those who are tasked with watching the police and keeping the police in line - the prosecutor's office - who are on the same team as the police and have a vested interest in protecting the police, not only in the collection of evidence for successful prosecutions, but for many it is linked to their own re-elections and political aspirations. So, yeah, for many citizens the only recourse is a pitchfork revolt against the absolute power of absolute corruption.
The officers were conducting an arrest on someone that was resisting.The ASSAULT by the officers was an actual arrest. I would agree with many who think the law that was broken is stupid, but it's not the officers call to decide which ones to enforce. The only officer that possibly should face charges is the one who grabbed him around the neck, but exactly WHAT CHARGE? And are all the elements of the charge fulfilled?The other officers, from what I can see on the video,didn't appear to do anything negligent.
Would like to see all the Grand Jury info to see what other evidence they had to make final determination.
A good article with a little more insight--
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/03/actual-facts-Eric-Garner
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But what we are not sickened by, for some bizarre reason, is the police felt that it was vital, critical and imperative that they bring that man down to the ground, prone and submissively helpless, despite the fact that his resistance was non-violent and non-threatening.
But, hey, dood was big, and black, and therefore scary, so the small army of cops surrounding him were all in fear of their lives, which is the police equivalent of an E Ticket where they get to ride all the rides and do whatever they want.
For an article containing some actual insight, as opposed to opinion labeled as insight...
England abolished grand juries decades ago because they didn't work
Also, here's a pointed, sharp and stinginly honest view of the American justice system, why it's not broken at all, why it is, in fact, working precisely as it is designed. It's an article that starts off with two paragraphs that perfectly sums up two of the more recent incidents, which will enrage some who disagree with the summaries, because they believe in the mythology laid out in subsequent paragraphs.
The American Justice System Is Not Broken
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I wonder how some would put cuffs on a very large person that (scary or not) is resisting arrest. And no, walking away and driving off in their cargo van is not an option.
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/jo...ons-cops-shooting-black-men-article-1.2030545
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/jo...ons-cops-shooting-black-men-article-1.2030545
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How whites see it?
https://medium.com/the-nib/im-dreaming-of-a-white-privilege-christmas-5de2a1e053d9 ...............
https://medium.com/the-nib/im-dreaming-of-a-white-privilege-christmas-5de2a1e053d9 ...............
And, just a couple of days ago a black man was killed by Phoenix police because he was carrying a prescription medication bottle, the size of a roll of quarters, that looked exactly like a gun.
kastmgmt
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Was he killed for the pill bottle, or for not doing as told by a hot headed cop? The cop stated that he "lost grip" of the "victim"/"suspect" and he reached for his pocket, which sounds like crap because in the time it takes too reach in a pocket the officer had a opportunity to take the guy down, he opted to shoot. This story gots BS sprayed all over it. But no-one will admit it. (blacks or whites)
Exactly! Large or small. Scary or not so scary. Male or female. White, Black or whatever. Police procedure when arresting someone is too use handcuffs to secure the suspect. The suspect can either acquiesce or resist.
The paragraph relating the events in Ferguson, MO completely misrepresents the facts of the case, along with the all-encompassing conclusions saying what evil American police and grand juries do. That blows the author's credibility all to h*ll. It's obvious he's promoting a liberal utopian agenda that has nothing to do with reality or justice in the American legal system. Albert Burneko should stick with his expertise as a food critic; he's certainly not a legal expert.