Why does panther put you on a pro before you even accept?!

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
2 out of 3, 7 out of 10, 15 out of 22, yeah.

...., but to a cherry-picker it's a veritable nightmare.

Do you have a problem with "cherry-picker"s?

To me, that's about the only way to make any real money in this rat race.

Back in the day, when my legs were young enough for hockey, I held cherry pickers (guys that camped in front of the crease) in high disdain while I did all the dirty work for them playing defense. One day I realized they were scoring all the goals and all I got was tired and bruised.

I thought "Say No To Cheap Freight" was the mantra here...
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Do you have a problem with "cherry-picker"s?
No I don't. Why would I? I concern myself far more with the loads I'm offered and how I run my business than I do with the loads and businesses of others. I accept and reject loads for my own reasons, same as everyone else. But that doesn't make me blind and ignorant as to how carriers and dispatchers view cherry pickers. And I run my business accordingly.
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
No I don't. Why would I? I concern myself far more with the loads I'm offered and how I run my business than I do with the loads and businesses of others. I accept and reject loads for my own reasons, same as everyone else. But that doesn't make me blind and ignorant as to how carriers and dispatchers view cherry pickers. And I run my business accordingly.

Since you aren't "...blind or ignorant as to how carriers and dispatchers view cherry pickers.", please explain to me how they view one (one cherry picker, that is).

Do the dispatchers at my carrier stand around the water cooler in their spare time and discuss how that selfish Wolverine refuses to take cheap loads?

Does my carrier have some sort of secret grading system used to eventually blackball me or send me to expediters purgatory to suffer for my recalcitrant nature??

Or are you simply referring to YOUR carrier?

Please enlighten me. I'm very curious.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Do the dispatchers at my carrier stand around the water cooler in their spare time and discuss how that selfish Wolverine refuses to take cheap loads?

Does my carrier have some sort of secret grading system used to eventually blackball me or send me to expediters purgatory to suffer for my recalcitrant nature??

Please enlighten me. I'm very curious.
Before your questions can be answered you must enlighten us. Who is your carrier?
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
Before your questions can be answered you must enlighten us. Who is your carrier?

What difference does it make? The point is I discourage my drivers from accepting cheap loads unless it's needed to get out of BFE.

I'm not out here to be The Sacrificial Expediter to keep my carrier afloat. I'm out here to make money. The hope is my carrier has a good enough business model operating so that everyone can profit.

If I accepted rates anywhere close to the two examples you recently cited recently on this Forum I too would be bashing my head with a wheel chock - or possibly choosing a quicker, less painful, method of financial suicide.

Perhaps there would be less griping here about "cheap rates" if there were fewer in the "easy entry" van business or more upgraded to a unit (or possibly a carrier) where there is the opportunity to make more. But who am I to run the Wisdom Gauntlet of so many astute van drivers?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Perhaps there would be less griping here about "cheap rates" if there were fewer in the "easy entry" van business or more upgraded to a unit (or possibly a carrier) where there is the opportunity to make more. But who am I to run the Wisdom Gauntlet of so many astute van drivers?

Less snarl would be good for a start....no one is arguing with you...

I left the last part of your post...because you are correct right there.....
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
What difference does it make?
You're the one that asked the following questions, remember?

Do the dispatchers at my carrier stand around the water cooler in their spare time and discuss how that selfish Wolverine refuses to take cheap loads?

Does my carrier have some sort of secret grading system used to eventually blackball me or send me to expediters purgatory to suffer for my recalcitrant nature??

Or are you simply referring to YOUR carrier?

Please enlighten me. I'm very curious.



hope is my carrier has a good enough business model operating so that everyone can profit.
Hope? You mean you don't know?


I accepted rates anywhere close to the two examples you recently cited recently on this Forum I too would be bashing my head with a wheel chock - or possibly choosing a quicker, less painful, method of financial suicide.
Please enlighten us. What carrier are you leased to and what rate do you run at?


But who am I to run the Wisdom Gauntlet of so many astute van drivers?
To me you come off as just another vanner blowing smoke and unwilling or unable to back up what he/she posts. But I guess you could be somebody else.
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
Less snarl would be good for a start....no one is arguing with you...

I left the last part of your post...because you are correct right there.....

I'm not arguing either. I'm simply amazed how cargo vans continue to flood the expediting market despite all the dire warnings on this forum about how cheap the rates seem to be.

It isn't hard to understand why so many potential drivers gravitate toward vans, however...virtually no qualifications or training to get behind the wheel, minimal investment to buy a used van if the person wishes to become his or her "own boss", and the willingness to live like a caged animal in the lifestyle a van provides.

Who hasn't been at the diesel pumps fueling and glanced over to see a row of vans sitting quietly - and apparently waiting for the crumbs to be thrown their way. I often wondered what they did with all their spare time.

Know I know..."contribute" to EO.
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
You're the one that asked the following questions, remember?





Hope? You mean you don't know?


Please enlighten us. What carrier are you leased to and what rate do you run at?


To me you come off as just another vanner blowing smoke and unwilling or unable to back up what he/she posts. But I guess you could be somebody else.

Yeah, that's me, just another Maize and Blue vanner.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm not arguing either. I'm simply amazed how cargo vans continue to flood the expediting market despite all the dire warnings on this forum about how cheap the rates seem to be.

It isn't hard to understand why so many potential drivers gravitate toward vans, however...virtually no qualifications or training to get behind the wheel, minimal investment to buy a used van if the person wishes to become his or her "own boss", and the willingness to live like a caged animal in the lifestyle a van provides.

Who hasn't been at the diesel pumps fueling and glanced over to see a row of vans sitting quietly - and apparently waiting for the crumbs to be thrown their way. I often wondered what they did with all their spare time.

Know I know..."contribute" to EO.

People are hungry I will never fault someone for trying to be their own boss. We also must remember the majority of new drivers never read something like eo to even see warnings.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Yeah, that's me, just another Maize and Blue vanner.

You don't need to worry about dispatch standing around the water cooler discussing your cherry-pickin'.

The water cooler talk is usually about Ohio State whipping Michigan.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
yep...It is harder to get a taxi license in some areas!...we've talked much here about the chance of making it harder to get into...BUT that is not in a carriers or load boards best interests...this is something we just have to live with...
 

str8trk

Expert Expediter
Owner/Operator
I have to believe that those with specialized equipment / capabilities / credentials would be afforded a much higher degree of latitude. Not much down-side from a carrier standpoint if a van operator gets shunned and takes his resource elsewhere.
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
Less snarl would be good for a start....no one is arguing with you...

I left the last part of your post...because you are correct right there.....

Also, OVM, is this forum meant to serve as a mutual admiration society where everyone can commiserate with one another over how lousy conditions are...

Or is there a purpose to be served by stating what's REALLY wrong with the industry in the hope of trying to improve what we do?
 

Wolverine

Seasoned Expediter
You don't need to worry about dispatch standing around the water cooler discussing your cherry-pickin'.

The water cooler talk is usually about Ohio State whipping Michigan.

So, can I assume most vanners are OSU graduates??
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Also, OVM, is this forum meant to serve as a mutual admiration society where everyone can commiserate with one another over how lousy conditions are...

Or is there a purpose to be served by stating what's REALLY wrong with the industry in the hope of trying to improve what we do?

see post #55....
 
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