My point was kinda....some of these guys are taking what could be van loads and complaining the rates are low...well DOH!!
where is the freight
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My point was kinda....some of these guys are taking what could be van loads and complaining the rates are low...well DOH!!
I don't take true van loads. They are just not profitable for us. The ONLY reason I could ever see us putting on a load like that is if we needed to get home and that was cheaper than a long DH. MAYBE if it moved us into a better freight area. We have taken loads that would go on a van, weight and size wise, but there are just very few vans that are dual driver capable and have DOT legal sleepers. All of those types of loads required "special stuff" that most vans don't have. Layoutshooter
Here is precisely the point. Never say never! There is ALWAYS the exception. As stated here, "the only reason is "IF" (and then followed by a nuther one). Remember If is the middle word in life. Makes no difference what the reason is that you take less than desireable freight, the fact is YOU DID, an an a nuther fella is pizzed about it. Think how many times a day this scenario is played out in this great country.
*LOL* IF the rabbit hadda stopped for a crap the dog would of got him.....
Of course you are "special" OVM, but your van is not!!!
I know that there are exceptions to ALMOST every rule. We don't as a practice take everyday van loads, no reason to lose that much money on a load. Layoutshooter
I know that there are exceptions to ALMOST every rule. We don't as a practice take everyday van loads, no reason to lose that much money on a load. Layoutshooter
Just a couple of more lame excuses to haul cheap freight. You do it, someone else does it and then more do it. Next comes the crying about cheap freight that all of you brought on yourselves.
I do? On a regular basis? No sir, I do not. In fact, I have ONLY taken ONE very low paying load, and it only paid low because of a VERY long DH. I took that one for two reasons. 1. I was the only truck that my carier had that could cover that load and it was a long standing customer. 2. It was backed up with a VERY good paying load the next day. No sir, I do not as a matter of course take van work. Layoutshooter
moose
Veteran Expediter
All i'm saying is that one need to know the costs of doing business , have a wrighten business plan in place & follow it.
there are still ways to make money out there .
what is consider to one as a Cheap freight , might just be more then enough for another.
one can drive 2000 mil a week @ .80cpm ,
& one can drive 1000 mil. @ 1.40cpm ,
both ways should work just about the same ,if tats what they plans of doing .
Moose.
there are still ways to make money out there .
what is consider to one as a Cheap freight , might just be more then enough for another.
one can drive 2000 mil a week @ .80cpm ,
& one can drive 1000 mil. @ 1.40cpm ,
both ways should work just about the same ,if tats what they plans of doing .
Moose.
You are correct Moose, everyone's business plan is different. Layoutshooter
Nuther problem is, many have been used to cracking "their" nut by about Wednesday or Thursday, then going fishing, or racing, or....... for a while. prolly wish they hadn't then because they can't now. Been way better the other way.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE 2000/MILES @ $.80CPM OR 1000 MILES @ $1.40/CPM IS THAT YOUR GOING TO BE THAT GUY IN THE REPAIR SHOP WITH 600,000 NEEDING THAT $12,000(UNLESS IT'S A MERCEDES, MUCH HIGHER) MOTOR AND @ $.80CPM YOU CAN'T AFFORD THAT MUCH OF AN EXPENSE VS. THE OTHER GUY WHO ONLY HAS 300,000 MILES ON HIS TRUCK AND MADE ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY, BUT HAS SAVED A TON OF MONEY OF THE YEARS IN REGULAR MAINTENCE COSTS LIKE TIRES, OIL CHANGES, BELTS, STARTERS, BATTERIES, AIR FILTERS, WIPER BLADES, BRAKES, AIR BAGS, SHOCKS, ALIGNMENTS, LIGHTS, CLUTCHES, OTHER BREAKDOWNS THAT WILL OCCUR BETWEEN 300,000 AND 600,000 MILES, WEAR AND TEAR, AND DEPRECIATION. IF BOTH GUYS DECIDED TO SELL THERE TRUCKS WITH THOSE MILES AND CONDITIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT EACH COULD/SHOULD GET FOR THERE TRUCK? AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ALL THOSE RELATIVES IN THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO HELP YOU SAVE MONEY, AND NOT HAVE A LOT PERSONAL EXPENSES, BUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD...
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ALL THOSE RELATIVES IN THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO HELP YOU SAVE MONEY, AND NOT HAVE A LOT PERSONAL EXPENSES, BUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD...
Well my friend, if you purchase a truck, any truck, and are banking on "trade in value" you are truly barking up the wrong tree. I suggest you plan on using it up an throwing it away. Then....whatever you get is a bonus, an ya won't set yersef up for disapoinment.
moose
Veteran Expediter
It was my observation that most out of pocket expenses on maintenance can be avoided .
many O/O out there can run a truck for 600K with very little breakdowns .
that's include all of the above list .
as stated , trade in value should not be placed into the business plan.
it's all come down to understanding the costs of doing and staying in business , it will very from one small business owner to the next.
the freight will go on the most profitable trucks , not the other way around .
am not endorsing low paying loads by any way , just saying that there is no such a thing as "cheap freight ".
many successful O/O understand that .
the time to adopt was yesterday .
Moose.
many O/O out there can run a truck for 600K with very little breakdowns .
that's include all of the above list .
as stated , trade in value should not be placed into the business plan.
it's all come down to understanding the costs of doing and staying in business , it will very from one small business owner to the next.
the freight will go on the most profitable trucks , not the other way around .
am not endorsing low paying loads by any way , just saying that there is no such a thing as "cheap freight ".
many successful O/O understand that .
the time to adopt was yesterday .
Moose.
guido4475
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Amen, brother.This is what I have been trying to point out.I made $138,000 last year gross,and my total combined miles empty and loaded for the year was $1.25 per mile.I achieved that by keeping my deadhead to an absolute minimum.And by telling dispatch just to do your best at keeping me at 1.25 for all miles on loads.It just isnt worth it to haul cheap freight.THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE 2000/MILES @ $.80CPM OR 1000 MILES @ $1.40/CPM IS THAT YOUR GOING TO BE THAT GUY IN THE REPAIR SHOP WITH 600,000 NEEDING THAT $12,000(UNLESS IT'S A MERCEDES, MUCH HIGHER) MOTOR AND @ $.80CPM YOU CAN'T AFFORD THAT MUCH OF AN EXPENSE VS. THE OTHER GUY WHO ONLY HAS 300,000 MILES ON HIS TRUCK AND MADE ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY, BUT HAS SAVED A TON OF MONEY OF THE YEARS IN REGULAR MAINTENCE COSTS LIKE TIRES, OIL CHANGES, BELTS, STARTERS, BATTERIES, AIR FILTERS, WIPER BLADES, BRAKES, AIR BAGS, SHOCKS, ALIGNMENTS, LIGHTS, CLUTCHES, OTHER BREAKDOWNS THAT WILL OCCUR BETWEEN 300,000 AND 600,000 MILES, WEAR AND TEAR, AND DEPRECIATION. IF BOTH GUYS DECIDED TO SELL THERE TRUCKS WITH THOSE MILES AND CONDITIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT EACH COULD/SHOULD GET FOR THERE TRUCK?
but it is getting more and more commonplace to get offered van loads/rates for a straight truck.So it is if as we are having no choice anymore on rates.Either take them and barely make it,or refuse them and starve.
DougTravels
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Low 90's ct per mile offers for a straight truck, is why I left Transtewart. It still don't make sense to run for that to me.
DougTravels
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They did pay fast, I'll give em that. Twice a week, get your paperwork in fast and you can get paid in about 12 days on average. They do some funny things with miles though, they ask if you can do run for whatever amount, then I guess they rerun it at shortest route and pay you for that many miles.
I did exact same nlmi runs with Expressway, and Expressway paid quite a few more miles on alot of loads. When I figured out they were doing that, it didn't take long, to make me not trust them. With that said, they always paid what they agreed to. One of my last runs with them they said it was 1,006 miles. I said look, I've done this run before with Expressway and it is about 1,060 miles, they put me on hold for a minute, came back and said ok 1,060, I made a mistake. Same rate, so if I hadn't complained they would have just kept the 54 mile fee. If any TS drivers wants to post their miles from zip to zip, it is quite obvious what they do.
They also charge 2.50 for each direct deposit, checks by mail were free, so I switched to that.
Here are some examples:
JacksonMi-Maxton NC-689
Lincolntown NC-Dearborn MI-596
Detroit MI-Fenton MO-537
Spring Lake MI--Winston Salem NC-681
Charlotte NC-Laredo TX-1335
Brownsville TX-Avon Lake OH-1608
Auburn Hills MI-Plainfield IN-314
Indianapolis In-Trenton NJ-665
BristolCt-Hamtramck MI-645
Sterling heights Mi-Kansas City KS-756
I did exact same nlmi runs with Expressway, and Expressway paid quite a few more miles on alot of loads. When I figured out they were doing that, it didn't take long, to make me not trust them. With that said, they always paid what they agreed to. One of my last runs with them they said it was 1,006 miles. I said look, I've done this run before with Expressway and it is about 1,060 miles, they put me on hold for a minute, came back and said ok 1,060, I made a mistake. Same rate, so if I hadn't complained they would have just kept the 54 mile fee. If any TS drivers wants to post their miles from zip to zip, it is quite obvious what they do.
They also charge 2.50 for each direct deposit, checks by mail were free, so I switched to that.
Here are some examples:
JacksonMi-Maxton NC-689
Lincolntown NC-Dearborn MI-596
Detroit MI-Fenton MO-537
Spring Lake MI--Winston Salem NC-681
Charlotte NC-Laredo TX-1335
Brownsville TX-Avon Lake OH-1608
Auburn Hills MI-Plainfield IN-314
Indianapolis In-Trenton NJ-665
BristolCt-Hamtramck MI-645
Sterling heights Mi-Kansas City KS-756
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DougTravels
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As far as Transstewarts paid miles, here is what streets and trips says as a comparison. 1st is what they paid me for loaded miles Q is quickest S is shortest
JacksonMi-Maxton NC-689 --------Q732 S730.3
Lincolntown NC-Dearborn MI-596--Q624 S616.5-note I think it was Lincolnton, not 100% sure without digging through paperwork
Detroit MI-Fenton MO-537--Q571.3-S542.3
Spring Lake MI--Winston Salem NC-681--Q720.3-S719.8
Charlotte NC-Laredo TX-1335---Q1401.2--S1347.5
Brownsville TX-Avon Lake OH-1608--Q1733.9---S1648.7 This one really had me scratching my head
Auburn Hills MI-Plainfield IN-314--Q343.2--S319.4
Indianapolis In-Trenton NJ-665--Q664-662.5- I remember being shocked it is a straight line on map though
BristolCt-Hamtramck MI-645--Q688.8--S655.4
Sterling heights Mi-Kansas City KS-756--Q808.5--S776.7
They did a pretty good job at keeping me moving at first though, I was running for 20-30cts less per mile and not deadheading as much. This was last fall when fuel was high and their surcharges and cpm and loaded mile figuring were all less than I had been used to. I gave it about 4 months and couldn't take it any longer. If they are still doing this, I believe it is not in their long term best interest, it makes OO's wonder about honesty. This is especially true when they have done the same loads before and been paid more miles.
JacksonMi-Maxton NC-689 --------Q732 S730.3
Lincolntown NC-Dearborn MI-596--Q624 S616.5-note I think it was Lincolnton, not 100% sure without digging through paperwork
Detroit MI-Fenton MO-537--Q571.3-S542.3
Spring Lake MI--Winston Salem NC-681--Q720.3-S719.8
Charlotte NC-Laredo TX-1335---Q1401.2--S1347.5
Brownsville TX-Avon Lake OH-1608--Q1733.9---S1648.7 This one really had me scratching my head
Auburn Hills MI-Plainfield IN-314--Q343.2--S319.4
Indianapolis In-Trenton NJ-665--Q664-662.5- I remember being shocked it is a straight line on map though
BristolCt-Hamtramck MI-645--Q688.8--S655.4
Sterling heights Mi-Kansas City KS-756--Q808.5--S776.7
They did a pretty good job at keeping me moving at first though, I was running for 20-30cts less per mile and not deadheading as much. This was last fall when fuel was high and their surcharges and cpm and loaded mile figuring were all less than I had been used to. I gave it about 4 months and couldn't take it any longer. If they are still doing this, I believe it is not in their long term best interest, it makes OO's wonder about honesty. This is especially true when they have done the same loads before and been paid more miles.