I can produce mine and have no problem doing that. But I'm not claiming I make 3.50 for all miles either.
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I can produce mine and have no problem doing that. But I'm not claiming I make 3.50 for all miles either.
I'm just wondering what this dialog is doing for Greg's eligibility for the Expediters Hall of Fame?
jaminjim
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Now that's fun right there I tell ya.
paullud
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I wouldn't really doubt a man that claims he is doing average or even a little better than average but $3.50 a mile for all miles, come on. Who would believe that without proof? Especially when he says he hauls multiple cheap freight loads to get a good rate, you would have numerous miles between pick ups and DH that you need to make up for.
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I was on the phone with DaveKc when I read this. We both laughed at this one Jim. It is funny in its own way.
I have no clue on that one. I'm sure Phil will be asked to be in the EHOF before Greg as Phil has been doing Expediting longer than Greg. You have to been in expediting for 15 years or more.
greg334
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Oh God ... figure it out for yourself.
Well I didn't tell you what to do with them either, but you think that way.
Yep you sure are, changing the story to make it look like you were baiting me into telling you what to do for a bet then saying it was a bet is just that, covering yourself.
Who cares?
I mean it seems not to have rubbed off on you. You still asked the question, AND IT IS not just me offered suggestions so what can having a family in the trucking business mean?
NOTHING.
OH i see now they are tall tails... shouldn't that be tall tales?
If I was in tall tails, I would be in a tux ... God help me.
I won't produce any proof because I'm not the one making claims of being the top truck at the carrier, having to accommodate a driver or any other lame crap like having a family in trucking.
What matters is ... or at least to me is seeing that someone is not stuck making less than $2 a mile while being controlled by the company.
Typical, try to deflect it to something else.
Great, try it for once instead of responding like ... never mind.
Ohhhh bring the BIG O into this ... She may not like your style.
You know every time you bring up betting, it sounds like a child trying to make a point that they know better not to make but has to make some noise. In your case, you are really defensive about stupid crap and don't get what I'm doing to you.
Last week?
Seriously?
Do you actually work at getting them in the top slots or is it the company does the work for you by finding the loads for you?
I think it is the latter.
Well Dave, it seems that you and a couple others here want to make it look like I am full of *** but got to tell you that the reason I can actually claim it is I didn't surrender myself to the company and think within a box that they made.
You have brought up a few times that this is all special stuff and you have figured it out - the result is that you have the top trucks in the fleet or what ever it is. The thing is you haven't proved that the $3.50 a mile can't be made or you can even make it CONSISTENTLY. If you could, then are you willing to take a risk trying to prove me wrong?
Most likely not.
From these posts in this thread, it seems you are clueless to what the potential of a tractor is, how to use it to make money and how to keep a driver or drivers in it. Which has to actually do with management of all the above. It is rather amazing that I can sit here and take hits from you and a few others while knowing I'm right in actually stepping forward and opening a few people's eyes to this possibility of making real money. ALL you can offer is jabs with the top truck blah blah blah stuff and then telling me I have to prove my claims.
The last time we discussed money, you sent me your finances and got to tell you they were sad. You kept emphasizing miles miles miles miles while others for months were telling me miles mean little while showing me how to leverage my truck (that's managing it) to make money when and if I want. I can see that mentality in many of the members here - they strive for miles and nothing more - they only think that they have to limit themselves by taking what the company gives them.
You also said I would be making great money at Panther but even though panther is a great company, it isn't for me and I felt you were trying to BS me into something that wasn't going to happen. I would not have the latitude to run my business as I see fit if I went there and your inconsistent numbers forced me to go to panther and ask. I met with Panther, actually took a trip there and sat down with another owner who went with me to see what they could do for either of us. It turns out that numbers are skewed to make them look like something they are not. I won't say which ones and won't embarrass you with the parts of the conversation that pertained to you.
The sad thing is that you can boast about your trucks making all these miles but you can't compare them to others outside Panther who make a lot more with less miles and they are running dry boxes. I mean that even if you actually read some of the posts that were posted in the last week by others, they can give you an idea of the rates others get, so I am not full of *** as you think.
Here is a little test for all of you ...
If truck a does 200 miles for $400 and truck b does 500 miles to $825, which truck actually puts more money in the owner's pocket?
Well that's all good and well but I can see where they are jumping to the least to own option and out of your fleet - if you can't.
I came to the conclusion and you helped reinforced it by the way ... that fleet ownership in this niche market is as easy as driving for someone. It doesn't take much more than changing the oil, putting clean sheets on the bed and paying the drivers. You seemed to have proven that what it doesn't take is knowing the business and working towards something better all the time.
Well got to go and make more money ...
Greg
I really don't care what you or Turtle think since you want to throw his name into. Greg I don't care how much money you make per mile, If it makes you happy then I'm happy for you. As far as my numbers on my trucks those was number on a fleet owners reefer units. You asked me remember. If $2.34 a loaded mile and 1.89 for all miles is bad then so be it. If you think that I don't find my trucks loads your mistaken Greg. I find my trucks loads and use a few of the brokers from Landstar that to get freight. My tractor is easier to find freight for than a D or C unit. I have been dealing with brokers, freight forwarder's and 3PL companies for over three years if it any of your business which it is not.
Now you can try to take shots me all you want Greg. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm not here to join the 14,000 post club, or try to tell another man or woman how to run their business. I can share the info that I have with others, what they do with it is up to them. What works for me or you may not work for others. Greg if I needed some advice from you I would call you. I prefer to call Davekc who has a great track record and over 25 years in this business and is with Panther. You say that Panthers numbers are bad and you don't have the freedom to do what ever you want with your trucks. Your wrong, that is part of the reason we moved to Panther. It was because the freedom to move and find our own freight. Have fun doing your thing as I'm not knocking your ways of doing things. What I do have a problem with you trying to come across as a know it all on EO and if your not doing it Greg's way, it's wrong.
I'm not saying that to put you down Greg, I'm just being honest with you. Ask other on here if your posts don't come across that way. EO is not about who makes more per mile or who makes more money that others. If your happy with what you do, how much money you make or with how your business doing. Then it don't matter what anyone else thinks. Now I'm done with fighting with you over this Bull-crap, because that is what it is, Bull-crap. Have a great weekend and be safe.
I really don't care what you or Turtle think since you want to throw his name into. Greg I don't care how much money you make per mile, If it makes you happy then I'm happy for you. As far as my numbers on my trucks those was number on a fleet owners reefer units. You asked me remember. If $2.34 a loaded mile and 1.89 for all miles is bad then so be it. If you think that I don't find my trucks loads your mistaken Greg. I find my trucks loads and use a few of the brokers from Landstar that to get freight. My tractor is easier to find freight for than a D or C unit. I have been dealing with brokers, freight forwarder's and 3PL companies for over three years if it any of your business which it is not.
Now you can try to take shots me all you want Greg. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm not here to join the 14,000 post club, or try to tell another man or woman how to run their business. I can share the info that I have with others, what they do with it is up to them. What works for me or you may not work for others. Greg if I needed some advice from you I would call you. I prefer to call Davekc who has a great track record and over 25 years in this business and is with Panther. You say that Panthers numbers are bad and you don't have the freedom to do what ever you want with your trucks. Your wrong, that is part of the reason we moved to Panther. It was because the freedom to move and find our own freight. Have fun doing your thing as I'm not knocking your ways of doing things. What I do have a problem with you trying to come across as a know it all on EO and if your not doing it Greg's way, it's wrong.
I'm not saying that to put you down Greg, I'm just being honest with you. Ask other on here if your posts don't come across that way. EO is not about who makes more per mile or who makes more money that others. If your happy with what you do, how much money you make or with how your business doing. Then it don't matter what anyone else thinks. Now I'm done with fighting with you over this Bull-crap, because that is what it is, Bull-crap. Have a great weekend and be safe.
greg334
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Yes?
What does Turtle have to do with this, you are now dragging him into it, I thought you wants to just say hello to him - too funny.
OK?!?
Then why the hell bash me for making the claim of how much I make?
I don't really think you are happy from all that I am reading. Really I think you are trying to find an easy way out without working toward a solution.
Well first, it doesn't matter because the entire point of my exercising my fingers is to tell people not to buy into the bs that having a reefer unit with all the qualifications will make you money as it should be made. The same holds true for that idea that miles matters - I see you changed your tune ... again on that subject.
Second, I didn't ask, you told me and had to prove that you were making the money which I never disputed you did in the first place until you tried to make me look like I was BSing people.
OK another group of numbers - as you and a couple others seem to say I don't post my finances, you can do the same - prove it. Other wise stop with the crap trying to prove something that you can't unless you want to disclose things like you expect others to do.
Well ok I don't think you can, consistently ... really. I think you would not bring up the subject and then become defensive/obtuse about the entire matter when opinions don't go your way - JUST like someone else here who seems to understand now what I and others say - he finally moved to another company ... well others know exactly what I'm saying.
Rather then read, engage and ask questions about what we are talking about you came to the conclusion that I was trying to demand you do it my way or else - yes we, as in a few have chimed in with suggestions along the same lines.
BFD that you used LS, wow so do so many others. AND they are not called brokers, they are agents - another point that I must remind you that I was not bashing anyone in the LS thread but pointing out these little things.
Oh God, you figured that out by yourself?
Keep thinking the C or D or what ever and you will be trapped by those letters for a long time.
By the by, THIS is what I was saying in the first place and you acted like I didn't know what I was talking about - pretty funny. I even offered a few points to back my posts up with but it went over your head and you haven't responded to other's posts like BBB's suggestion which makes me think that you don't like his suggestions either.
There you go again, have to provide a bit of non-information information while telling me it is not my business, why bring it up now?
Well it seems if you didn't want me to start, you would have not said a word about what I know and don't know or be so defensive in another thread.
I have been taking shots at you and I don't think you got 10% of what I was doing without a meaningful response to anything I said except trying to make it out as if I were the problem.
Well first learn how to read - it is 18,xxx and I don't know how it happened but it did. I get crucified for it a lot here and off line but you know I don't give a crap about it. EO doesn't give me a thing other than acknowledging the fact I'm the top poster - big whoop. SO when it is brought up, depending on the person, I think one of two things - either they are a frickn' child and need to grow up or they are jealous because it is important to them but to me an insignificant number for technical reasons very few here would even comprehend (not saying they are dumb but rather they don't know how the software works). I equate the entire thing to the whole social media mess, where likes and shares and facebook means less than actual engagement in a meaningful way - i.e. phone, in person... etc.
You can share but do you?
In an open forum?
What are you a parrot?
I said that a couple times and now you are saying it ... you still trying to take jabs at me ... just too funny.
Duh! I said that a lot of times.
Polly want a cracker?
Just to clarify and make a distinct statement ...
It isn't about telling people how to run their business but showing them there are options and allowing them to make informed decisions. I don't see that happening from you.
AND you have. You called me several times and asked me different things and I apparently helped or didn't help - I don't know - but the problem is you are bitting at my heals for some reason while forgetting the past. AND more importantly forget some of the things we discussed and why ...
The sad thing is, you sit there and make rather disparaging remarks about ... say my posting of my finances ... while you saw them at one time and know what the numbers are ... You also know who I worked for, the trucks I managed and so on, so don't say you didn't while sitting there claiming there is no proof.
Good for you, I think Dave has it together and can at least understand what I was trying to say. Maybe he can explain to you things that you think I am demanding you do.
BUT I have to ask, if you have had 17 years in this business and a family who has been in trucking for 90 years, why are even calling others for advice?
NO I said YOUR numbers were sad looking, with the emphasis on miles miles and more miles and I wanted revenue and revenue - not miles. When I plugged them into my spread sheet, they didn't work for me. I didn't say Panther was bad, as much as YOU know about FedEx and what I see with them.
The problem was I did not want to return to a system where I have a board number and had to wait for work by the criteria of the board which was neither written or stable enough for me to work within. If any one knows the rules of the game, they can work things to their advantage.
Really?
I thought as you explained ... opps never mind, I won't say that in an open forum why ... IF I did, many would understand what is really going on here between us. So I will save you the embarrassment.
By the way, you have never ever mentioned about freedom of moving where you want or finding your own freight. I think this is the very first time you mentioned it or wait, you did mention how well you are in with those LS agents and telling them about Phil.
Yes you are, you are telling the world I'm full of *** because I won't post my numbers and I'm boasting about what I make.
Well see Dave, that's too bad because I don't expect anyone to do anything I suggest, you are making it out like I am and like the Landstar thread, you chimed in telling me not to bash Phil which you were clueless of what I said and why - you seem to be still clueless about it as far as I can see.
I never said there is a wrong way to do things but this thread illustrates things that is wrong with reading things out of context and how people don't want to respond when they know they are wrong.
Remember I am the one who keeps telling people that they have to form their business around their needs and goals, not take for granted that the only way to do things is the company way. I also tell people the company makes or breaks you in this business and looking for opportunities to improve your bottom line may be moving around to find the right fit.
Honest?
Really, OK I guess. BUT got to tell you Dave, I don't care. Said this before, and it may look like I do because I am replying but you know I get tired of the crap a few pull and they stand there stomp their feet and make stupid comments about things or want others to prove it. One poster in this thread did the same thing, he ripped into me and I responded via PM about what I make and why I make it but they still have yet to reply in a positive and adult manner to what I said.
Well I have been lectured a bit more than I care to remember about my posts, about the length of them and the one thing I tell them is what I just said - I don't care. I write long posts because of my hands, not because this is all I do, it isn't.
I am also critical of people who say to people asking questions "go search" and I have a lot of valid reasons for that. Maybe you would notice this if you participated in more than just posting obtuse things.
WOW you got to stop doing that, I mean ... parrot.
I wasn't fighting, far from it ... although it was very entertaining for me to take part in, it is an eye opener for a few here who don't read what I say or assume that it is about posts count.
No matter what, I hope you success in your venture and you eventually get out of the box you made for yourself.
Greg
I don't claim to be making 3.50 a mile. What I do claim to be making per mile with a dry box is $1.78 a loaded mile and $1.41 for all miles. That is with the FSC because that is still income. I can back this up with what I get from my carrier. Here it is just for you. I showed my numbers, lets see yours. Oh,this is May thur the end of August of this year.
Financials
General Information
Truck: ***** Team: Y Active Days: 121 Avail Days: 88.8 SC Board Days 0
Revenue Information
Revenue: $61,954.80 Per Day Avail: $698.08 Per Gallon Expense: $1.64
Fuel Surcharge: $13,645.39 FSC Avg: $0.31 Total Rev w/FSC: $75,600.19
Load Information
Loaded Miles: 44022 DH Miles: 4722 Paid EM Miles: 0 UnPaid EM Miles: 0
Total Miles: 53478 Unaccounted Miles: 5544 Unaccounted Miles % 10 % Refusal %: 0 %
Loads: 57 Loads Refused: 0 Avg Miles Loads Refused: 0 Missed Revenue: $0.00
Offered Paid EM: 0 Offered UnPaid EM: 37 Accepted Paid EM: 0 Accepted UnPaid EM: 0
EM Paid Amount: $0.00 Avail %: 74 %
I don't claim to be making 3.50 a mile. What I do claim to be making per mile with a dry box is $1.78 a loaded mile and $1.41 for all miles. That is with the FSC because that is still income. I can back this up with what I get from my carrier. Here it is just for you. I showed my numbers, lets see yours. Oh,this is May thur the end of August of this year.
Financials
General Information
Truck: ***** Team: Y Active Days: 121 Avail Days: 88.8 SC Board Days 0
Revenue Information
Revenue: $61,954.80 Per Day Avail: $698.08 Per Gallon Expense: $1.64
Fuel Surcharge: $13,645.39 FSC Avg: $0.31 Total Rev w/FSC: $75,600.19
Load Information
Loaded Miles: 44022 DH Miles: 4722 Paid EM Miles: 0 UnPaid EM Miles: 0
Total Miles: 53478 Unaccounted Miles: 5544 Unaccounted Miles % 10 % Refusal %: 0 %
Loads: 57 Loads Refused: 0 Avg Miles Loads Refused: 0 Missed Revenue: $0.00
Offered Paid EM: 0 Offered UnPaid EM: 37 Accepted Paid EM: 0 Accepted UnPaid EM: 0
EM Paid Amount: $0.00 Avail %: 74 %
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Ok, I don't usually post here at EO, mainly because I don't see the need to get caught up in drama that doesn't concern the reason I am here or in this business.... which for me is making money.
The above question seems not only reasonable but also humble. Someone who thinks they know it all would probably not be posting a question as this admitting they are not completely sure what do do with their tractor unit.
Now - I may work for Mayfield Express, LLC but I'm going to keep this post as unbiased as possible.
There was some good information given. I will paraphrase, "thinking outside the box / carrier to increase revenue flow for the tractor unit" Was sound advice from greg.
Unfortunately any good information that was trying to flow through this topic has now been muddied by ego and personal conflicts. I would urge both parties involved to take a step back and examine what was actually being said.
greg334
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I agree, AND I have but see it seems that Dave needs to make a point, which he can't from my point of view.
At this point it has less to do with egos and any personal conflict but rather being giving more entertainment to those in the forum.
paullud
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Take my word for it. It's LOST all entertainment value.
Greg why must you try to keep things going? I didn't feel the need to answer your challenge, what is the point? Your going to say what someone says and turn it around. I'm not bugging you and you want to keep this going. Even sending me a PM with more BS. Greg I'm done with your long winded posts. Have a great weekend as I have a load to take to the U.P of Michigan. Some of us do work and don't have time to post on EO 24/7.
Probly asleep, like the rest of us. I think I nodded off about 38 posts back. When I read this ^ I thought something interesting happened - hahaha. I'm going back to sleep now, these two can keep the Duel of the Century going for weeks without even agreeing on what it is they don't agree on.
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