Where is the best place for Tractors?

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Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Being in the expedite business for 17 years mainly with straight trucks, we bought a tractor last year and it isn't working for us at our current carrier. I was thinking of making it into a straight truck if I can't find a place for it. I don't want to do that if I can find a carrier that we can put it on with that will keep a single driver working. Not many people want to run team in a tractor anymore that is why I'm asking.
 

garyatk

Seasoned Expediter
I had the same problem and my truck is now hauling reefer freight with a dedicated run based out of Detroit. I am currently looking for a driver too.

Send me a PM if you would like to know more.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
I have yet to see even one tractor, teams or solo, that is making in Expedite even remotely close for what can be made in traditional transportation.
maybe i did not look deep enough .
hate to throw a whole industry under the bus, but it is time for expedite carriers & shippers to pay a fair wage, if they wish to compete in the real world over quality truckers.

having said that, just like in expedite, i herd my fair shares of horror story's about OTR's truck ownerships.
Truckers have many more options then Expediters for a ride, and you will find, that just like in Expedite, it is not about the carrier, but about having something spacial going on for you, if drivers retentions is on your mind.

my advice, keep doing what you do best.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I have yet to see even one tractor, teams or solo, that is making in Expedite even remotely close for what can be made in traditional transportation.
maybe i did not look deep enough .
hate to throw a whole industry under the bus, but it is time for expedite carriers & shippers to pay a fair wage, if they wish to compete in the real world over quality truckers.

having said that, just like in expedite, i herd my fair shares of horror story's about OTR's truck ownerships.
Truckers have many more options then Expediters for a ride, and you will find, that just like in Expedite, it is not about the carrier, but about having something spacial going on for you, if drivers retentions is on your mind.

my advice, keep doing what you do best.

Thanks Moose :) I think your right.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
That's funny there Bruno(dave) ... it seems I explained to you when I was managing that fleet for the guy what exactly I did and why but you forgot?

IT all depends on what you expect. I mean finding people to fill the gap may be easy if you are doing main stream work but expediting may drive them up a wall waiting. IRT, who is quick and vocal about sitting (A good thing) is a good source to ask as a few others.

If you remember the conversation we had about the changes I made when I got control of the fleet, you may recall the money issues and how I solved them by using the tractors for what they were intended - not sitting but moving.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
That's funny there Bruno(dave) ... it seems I explained to you when I was managing that fleet for the guy what exactly I did and why but you forgot?

IT all depends on what you expect. I mean finding people to fill the gap may be easy if you are doing main stream work but expediting may drive them up a wall waiting. IRT, who is quick and vocal about sitting (A good thing) is a good source to ask as a few others.

If you remember the conversation we had about the changes I made when I got control of the fleet, you may recall the money issues and how I solved them by using the tractors for what they were intended - not sitting but moving.

No, I don't recall Greg as that was months ago I'm sure. Sorry. Don't get me wrong the truck can do great at the carrier it's at if it was a team.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
... the changes I made when I got control of the fleet, you may recall the money issues and how I solved them by using the tractors for what they were intended - not sitting but moving.

Go on...
I mist that too.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
No, I don't recall Greg as that was months ago I'm sure. Sorry. Don't get me wrong the truck can do great at the carrier it's at if it was a team.

Well OK I guess you missed a lot. Must not been that important for you to remember.

Teams don't seem to matter as much as moving the tractor consistently.

Moose, I didn't explain it here and really going to leave a lot of details out for obvious reasons. It was simple, I moved things around a bit to leverage the tractors and got rid of the leases for the expedite part because of the inconsistency that was happening at the time. Those trucks used in the expedite stuff were sold at a profit and the money rolled back into the fleet for things like auto-lube systems and lower rolling resistant tires. The tractors which were both underutilized and in expedite went to Power Only programs or I secured some dedicated work. I also shifted a few (KW T-800s) to heavy haul work because they were ordered for that and the owner bought at a liquidation sale but only used for flat bed work. I leased HH trailers from a company in Texas and that allowed some of the money to be put aside to purchase trailers for heavy haul work - the first one was a 60 ton which was gotten for under a $100k. Overall the fleet average went from $8k a month to $12k a month per truck(non-HH trucks) with some trucks hitting a consistent $14k monthly gross.
 

ts675

Seasoned Expediter
My tractor is on at Panther and I run team. I think I do pretty good. Both of us usually make 1k a week, and the truck makes its margin. Just like any vehicle in expedite we have great weeks and then not so great but you all know that. I think the trick to consistant $$ at the Cat is getting hooked up in as many divisions as you can and staying away from the reefer trailers. Hope that helps some.

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App
 

garyatk

Seasoned Expediter
Shoot... I'm getting close to 5K a week hauling reefer freight (solo). I have only been there for 5 weeks, but I will let you know how it goes long term.

I'll be adding another truck and trailer to the fleet by the end of the year if this continues...
 
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BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I believe with out going back to look. The poster stated this was a SOLO. His Company teams were doing fine.
 

turritrans

Expert Expediter
It's hard not to make money with tractors in expedite IMO. Tougher with str8s. All depends on the company your leased on with.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I believe with out going back to look. The poster stated this was a SOLO. His Company teams were doing fine.

You are very right Bill. I'm not in the business of training people just to have them go get a no money down lease to own program our carrier offers. This has happened three time already with our carrier. That is why the truck is parked, not because it can't make money at this carrier. It's because we keep losing drivers to this no money down lease to own program. It's just not worth it to train someone to have them leave in two months.

That is why we are looking for another carrier to put this truck on with.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I find it hard to believe it isn't making money with Panther.

You have an advantage, don't they take 15% off the top of the load to process and bill the load out?

With 15% and a subscription to a few load boards, that truck can make a good amount of money.

Learn how to put together ltl loads and run a flat bed with it, there is a lot of work out there with that. It may not be easy at first but with time, it will be.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I find it hard to believe it isn't making money with Panther.

You have an advantage, don't they take 15% off the top of the load to process and bill the load out?

With 15% and a subscription to a few load boards, that truck can make a good amount of money.

Learn how to put together ltl loads and run a flat bed with it, there is a lot of work out there with that. It may not be easy at first but with time, it will be.

Greg, I never said it wasn't making money at our carrier. Once again your putting your foot in your mouth. I would rather leave a truck parked than running solo with cheap freight Greg. I'm not going to run cheap freight off of load boards then give my carrier 15% off the top of that for me finding loads to keep the truck moving. Your missing the whole point Greg, It's not that the truck lose's money at our carrier because it don't. It's about losing teams drivers because they will let someone get into this no money down lease to own program after a owner has trained them for two months.
 

garyatk

Seasoned Expediter
That almost sounds as bad as competing with company owned trucks.

I would really like to know the out come of this Dave. As I continue to build my fleet, this kind of information would be good to have...

Please feel free to PM me anytime!!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Greg, I never said it wasn't making money at our carrier.

yes you did.

"I don't want to do that if I can find a carrier that we can put it on with that will keep a single driver working."

You are imply that the thing is not making money because the company can't keep it busy, so I have to ask why can't you keep it loaded and moving yourself?

Not many people want to run team in a tractor anymore that is why I'm asking.

Think outside the box for once and get rid of the idea that everything has to have a team in it to make money. You know there are single drivers out there making more than teams.

Once again your putting your foot in your mouth.

Really?

Then why are you asking questions?

You miss half of what it written or explained and you can't seem to get the idea that this expediting thing is not the only thing in the world to make money with a truck. <<GASP!>>

You would rather praise someone who sits at one company then changes finally while NEVER taking any risks, thinking that they know a lot more than others while at the same time bashing those who have at least done more than write about things they never learned first hand.

Open your mind for a bit and listen to these little stupid things that some say instead of "successful" people who never experience things first hand or take chances.

I would rather leave a truck parked than running solo with cheap freight Greg.

My opinion for what it's worth - that's dumb. Really really dumb.

Here is what I would do, just for **** and giggles... Take the tractor and get a trailer of my own, I would increase the split with the driver to retain them and have them run it as much as possible with anything that I can get on it.

WHY?

BECAUSE it is a revenue generator when it is moving but it costs money just sitting.

The key (this is not for you but others who are reading this) is to make something with it and forsake the asinine thing over cheap freight because it isn't going to go away.

IF that truck after costs produces $2k in revenue in MY pocket is $24k a year that I didn't have before. SO I conclude that IF you can't get that solo driver to produce revenue above $60k than you need to seriously look at how you are managing your entire fleet, not just that one truck.

AND to add to this, the idea of cheap freight is something of a misnomer AND will never go away. You don't get that and jump on the bandwagon with others screaming about it which is a joke because MANY of you are causing it yourself by surrendering yourselves to the company and not taking control of things - like making sure a tractor is moving.

If you can't see beyond the rate and look at the big picture with all the avenues of revenue generation that is possible, then you are chasing the pennies and ignoring the dollars.

I'm not going to run cheap freight off of load boards then give my carrier 15% off the top of that for me finding loads to keep the truck moving.

Why not? Read what I said above - maybe take it and print it off and tack it to your computer screen, bathroom mirror and on the fridge for a month so you read it EVERY DAY.

Your missing the whole point Greg, It's not that the truck lose's money at our carrier because it don't. It's about losing teams drivers because they will let someone get into this no money down lease to own program after a owner has trained them for two months.

NO I understand YOUR point exactly Dave, You DO NOT get mine so here is what I see;

You assume that you are doing good because you expanded your fleet while you think that this is the only way to make money.

You let the company, Panther, do most of your work for you, from finding the work to offering it to you which is fine. It seems you don't want to take a chance to find other ways to make money so you sit and wonder about it.

You assume that the only way to make money is with a team because that is the norm at Panther or what they indicate they want. You see the results with a team and then think "I need a team in every truck" while not realizing how much a single can make.

One glaring problem is when someone suggests something outside the box or you assume they miss the point, you get all defensive about it and tell them pretty much they are full of crap or we can't see the point.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
yes you did.

You are imply that the thing is not making money because the company can't keep it busy, so I have to ask why can't you keep it loaded and moving yourself?

No, you assumed that is what I was implying that we didn't make money running our tractor solo at our carrier. Which we do.


Think outside the box for once and get rid of the idea that everything has to have a team in it to make money. You know there are single drivers out there making more than teams.

I am, why do you think I asked about which company is best for a solo driver? Did you ever think that the driver I have don't want to work at our current carrier?

Then why are you asking questions?

Because I can, and maybe we don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket.

You miss half of what it written or explained and you can't seem to get the idea that this expediting thing is not the only thing in the world to make money with a truck. <<GASP!>>

No you assumed once again. I never said what is the best Expedite carrier for a solo driver. I asked what is the best carrier for a Tractor?


You would rather praise someone who sits at one company then changes finally while NEVER taking any risks, thinking that they know a lot more than others while at the same time bashing those who have at least done more than write about things they never learned first hand.

I'm not listing to Phil as you put it. I'm my own person and can think on my own. Sounds to me like your jealous of Phil Madsen Greg. The only one that seems to THINK they know a lot more than others is YOU GREG.



Open your mind for a bit and listen to these little stupid things that some say instead of "successful" people who never experience things first hand or take chances.

Why do you think I listen to Phil? I have been doing this 10 years longer than Phil. That is not a knock at Phil. They are Expediters Greg and you act like your Jealous of Phil because he is a good writer.

My opinion for what it's worth - that's dumb. Really really dumb.

You have an OPINION for everything Greg and I could care less what you think.

Here is what I would do, just for **** and giggles... Take the tractor and get a trailer of my own, I would increase the split with the driver to retain them and have them run it as much as possible with anything that I can get on it.

I didn't ask you what you would do. I ask what carrier was the best for solo driver

BECAUSE it is a revenue generator when it is moving but it costs money just sitting.

The key (this is not for you but others who are reading this) is to make something with it and forsake the asinine thing over cheap freight because it isn't going to go away.

IF that truck after costs produces $2k in revenue in MY pocket is $24k a year that I didn't have before. SO I conclude that IF you can't get that solo driver to produce revenue above $60k than you need to seriously look at how you are managing your entire fleet, not just that one truck.

Greg you run you fleet of so called trucks and I will run mine. I don't tell you how to run yours so please don't try to tell me your hog wash because that is what it is. I haven't been doing this for 17 years because I don't know how to run my trucks.



You let the company, Panther, do most of your work for you, from finding the work to offering it to you which is fine. It seems you don't want to take a chance to find other ways to make money so you sit and wonder about it.

Wrong again as you can only assume that they find me loads when I find loads for my trucks myself.


You assume that the only way to make money is with a team because that is the norm at Panther or what they indicate they want. You see the results with a team and then think "I need a team in every truck" while not realizing how much a single can make.

If that was the case, I would of never asked " where is the best place for tractors.

One glaring problem is when someone suggests something outside the box or you assume they miss the point, you get all defensive about it and tell them pretty much they are full of crap or we can't see the point.

Greg thats because you sometimes act like you know it all.


Greg your a nice guy but you need to get rid of this "I know it all attitude" Your no better than anyone else.
 
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