What's The Best Solo Friendly Company

phatTweaker

Expert Expediter
Hello,

I got an offer to drive a 22' D-Unit as a solo on a 60/40 split with me getting the 60%+FSC and paying for fuel and tolls. The truck was previously on with Tri-State but the owner said it could be changed.
I was thinking FedExCC because they are large and should have the freight, but I am a newb so my thinking could be wrong.
Would FedExCC be a decent company for a solo? If not could you list your opinions for the top 3-4 (from best to worst) carriers for a solo?


Also I know it's impossible in expediting to expect to make a certain amount average each week, but just to set a goal for myself I was thinking 800 gross and about 500 take home after all taxes and road expenses..Do you think this is a realistic or achievable goal if I learn quick, work hard and work smart?

thanks
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I wouldn't spend one more second considering FX for a solo. Based on all I've ever heard they are great for teams and poor for solos. For a solo I'd look into P2, Con-Way and X1, listed in no particular order because I haven't been with all of them so I can't rank them. Good luck.

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Packmule

Expert Expediter
Ditto what LDB said, with one exception. I have a friend who started as a solo driver for FedEx in Dec. and is doing well, Farrrr exceding the income adverage you stated in your post.
But most people (even the dispatchers and recruiters)agree that FedEx is not the best company as a solo driver.
Panther and Conway seem to do well, and Broompilot is doing well as a solo with his company.
I would set my income goals a little higher unless you are looking to run just enough to reach the goals stated and then go home. If so ...Wrong business! Solo driver in a D unit with good company and willing to stay out and run should be grossing 8K-10K to the truck every month I would think, but could be wrong.
Good luck
Dan
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I think your financial goals are lower than what will happen. If you can get by with the numbers you posted I think you'll frequently be doing better than you have to to get by. I can't speak to taxes and road expenses because those vary by state and by person. I would estimate a D unit solo running around 75-80% should easily generate $100k annually. You mentioned 60/40 so your split would be $60k divided by 52 weeks is about $1125 per week average. Some will be much better and some won't make that. You'll have to be disciplined to put money back for the times that are slow.

For discussion let's say you drive 8k total miles a month to gross $100k annually. Let's say you get 8mpg so you buy 1000 gallons of fuel a month for $2750. We'll estimate you get $1000 a month in fsc money so your out of pocket for fuel was $1750. We'll insanely say $250 for tolls since that gives us a round number of $2k out of your pocket. You're share of the money to the truck is $5k so you have $3k left a month to cover taxes, road expenses, etc. That's around $700 a week. I don't think your fuel or toll expenses will be that high but if you feel you can make it using the high numbers you will make it with the right numbers too.

My personal plan is to eat stuff I have in my pantry and refrigerator except for 1 time a day I buy outside the truck. That is almost always a McD's mcgriddle sandwich for breakfast. I stick to that probably 80% of the time at least but around once a week I'll buy a lunch or dinner too. I spend about $50 a week at Kroger and maybe $40 a week buying outside. I don't do much other than that except for used book stores and that's not too expensive.

Go to www.ooida.com and download the spreadsheet they have. It will give you expense categories and examples of how to fill it in. You won't have a lot of the expenses since you only have to cover fuel and tolls but it's still a good tool to have. Good luck to you.

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phatTweaker

Expert Expediter
I'm getting by on about $225 a week now, but that just barely covers the bills. I got a good deal on my house, but it's a fixer upper and in need of about $15,000 in repairs and my car blew a head gasket which I'll either need to buy a different car or fix it at about $2,000(It's an old '95 grand am probably not worth fixing). Basically I'm just scraping by with things falling apart 'cause I cant afford to fix anything.
That's why I set my income goal at roughly $500 week net average 'cause I know I could pay my bills on that and start saving to fix the house up and buy or fix the car. I'm told march will be starting into the busy season so I'm hoping to make a little above my goals to also save a little more to get through the slow times.

thanks for all the info
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
phatTweaker,

May I suggest an additional question? After coming to the forum to ask what the best solo-friendly company is, go to the companies and ask each one, what thebest phatTweaker-friendly company is? Don't try to sell yourself to them. There's a driver shortage out there. You already know they want you. Make them sell themselves to you. Ask them why you should choose them instead of another company that also wants to bring you on board.

ALL carriers can point to happy and successful solo drivers in their ranks. It's not a question of which one has the most happy solo drivers. It's a question of which company you yourself will be most happy in.

Again, ALL carriers can point to happy and successful solo drivers in their ranks. It's not about picking the company that has the largest number of solo drivers, or even the largest number of happy solo drivers. It's about picking the company that is best for YOU, and no one else.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
But he's asking a simple question. This forum is to get advice, as well as put ppl in touch with companies. I would say go ask companies, if he wants to get a line of shpeel. Otherwise, he's doing a good job of locating the right one. Once he weeds out the non-solo companies, he can make a short list of ones he's like to contact.

Phat... check out the smaller companies. Express-1 is a good place to start. They're regional, and would get you home regularly.
 

phatTweaker

Expert Expediter
I've been talking to recruiters from several of the carriers that advertise here and to be honest I didn't get much out of it. They all will give you gross averages which pretty much seem similar from carrier to carrier. I'd ask how solo drivers did running for them and get more averages which again were pretty much similar.
All of the recruiters stressed that a team is the way to go to make the most money.
That's one reason why I ask for advice here, so I can get more accurate advice from actual drivers. I mean I know teams make more then a solo, but I wouldn't team with just anyone, so right now solo is the only option.

As it turns out the owner of the truck wants to put it on with FedEx, so I hope I can make enough to survive as a solo. Originally I was planning to team with my brother, but he is going through a divorce and it will be a while before he's ready to go.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Ateam wrote

It's not a question of which one has the most happy solo drivers. It's a question of which company you yourself will be most happy in.
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Since he hasn't driven for one yet, how would he know?
I think it would be advisable to pursue the path where the most happy and successful are. If many are happy at a given carrier, it clearly can't be overlooked.
It is always good to keep those odds at a minumum until you gain some experience and insight to the whole industry.







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21 years
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Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
To make the search easier, ask a very simple question. Start with a date say November 15th, ask the recruiter who started on this date and please provide me the #s they have produced city to city and income for each run. Of course ask for the top performer so that you can provide yourself with a GO GETTER and not some luke warm runner. This should help you judge how an excellent runner is doing at each company you are intrested in.

Good luck, one last thing I am bit dissipointed when people post I can get buy on $500.00 a week. I beg to differ it is not cheap being out here extra expenses will have to paid, and thus someone posted the truth my car is a junker, house is need of repairs, remember no ones gona give you $ and you should not give your time away and at $500 profit a week I personally see that is exactly what is happening there is NO LAW AGAINST MAKING A PROFIT, just keep it ethicle and honest.....
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Broompilot wrote:

>To make the search easier, ask a very simple question.
>Start with a date say November 15th, ask the recruiter who
>started on this date and please provide me the #s they have
>produced city to city and income for each run. Of course
>ask for the top performer so that you can provide yourself
>with a GO GETTER and not some luke warm runner. This should
>help you judge how an excellent runner is doing at each
>company you are intrested in.

Outstanding advice!

I sometimes grow frustrated with comments about how recruiters lie and posters that make recruiters sound like the scum of the earth. My experience with recruiters is exactly the opposite. When we were researching the business, (Diane and me, codriver and wife) contacted recruiters from all major carriers. None of them told us anything close to a lie. Most of them were professional and prompt in providing us the information we requested.

Broompilot's post is outstanding because he's telling you to ask very specific questions such the answers can be factually verified. We asked the same kind of questions before we got into the business. We learned what questions to ask by trial and error and by reading every post in the EO forums going back two years.

When you go to a recruiter with knowledge about the industry, a recruiter will give you better answers because you are asking better questions. If you simply waddle into an office or trade show booth unprepared and say "tell me about this expediting thing" you will get general answers at best, you will likely hear only what you want to hear because you have no way to guage the information you are receiving, and if you jump in and later fail, it will of course be the recruiter's fault for lying to you, instead of your fault for doing poor research of your own career choice.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
"If you simply waddle into an office or trade show booth unprepared and say "tell me about this expediting thing" you will get general answers at best"

I trust we do better than that at the EO booth at the Mid America Truck Show at Louisville.

Terry
 

beachbum20714

Expert Expediter
$500 a week make more than that working 45 hrs a week.should be making more than $500 a week expediting.or there is no sence doing this.you can make $500 a week working a reg job.8 hrs a day.in by 6 out by 2.........
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Question is: Where are the most happy and sucessful at??? That's what he wants to know. Any good answers???? Trying to guide a individual whom's ink isn't even dry on the CDL. Good trick, if you can pull it off.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
There's a grain or two of truth in most stereotypes. Recruiters are no exception. Most are decent people, but the ones you should avoid are out there. This is from experience.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
To Ateam.......

I find it odd that the vehicle that helped and advised you into the business, you brush aside as little information to gain unless your totally researched.
We took alot of hard knocks when we first started because these things were not available or even heard of.
Alot of effort goes into these events and it is a shame you feel to trivialize them.
Hopefully I misunderstood your post and you were giving credit from which you gained your initial information.

Davekc
 

TeamDrivers2

Expert Expediter
phatTweaker:

I see you're attempting to get as much info as possible before beginning this adventure of yours. And thats a good thing.

I have several concerns that raise flags all over the place.

How well do you know this owner? Is this relationship phone based ?, or have you face-to-face met the person ?

Exactly what year of vehicle are you going to be driving? Miles? Condition ?

Does this owner run other vehicles ? Does the owner run him/her self?

I ask these questions because its hard for me to understand why a fleet owner would put you out solo. You're gonna require a great deal of attention. How's this person planning to guide you along?
Being that you've never done this sort of thing, I just find it amazing he's allowing you take a vehicle with no one there to personally train [guide/assist/help/advise/correct/disipline/instruct/coach] you. There are so many elements of the job that I truly find it mind-blowing that a fleet owner would do this sort of thing. [to you]

For one thing , as repeated in above post , there's little money to be made doing solo. Teaming, in your case would actually be defined as a classroom and you'd deffinatly make more money. But if you're taking out some end-of-cycle vehicle ? , then possibly the owner's not to terribly worried how you'll do.

Do yourself a HUGE favor and team-up with someone first. Find yourself a fleet owner who'll put you second seat. You'll learn the ropes and be alot closer to having the potential to make good bucks. Don't let anyone [including yourself] BS you about making a decent living doing this with FEDCC. It just ain't gonna happen. If you're gonna be hard-headed and go about all this solo?.....then do yourself a favor and leave the existing decals on the truck. Tri-State's gonna be a much better choice fo a newb.

Good Luck phatTweaker. Maybe you'll prove me/us wrong.;)
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>Hopefully I misunderstood your post ....
>Davekc

That's right. You did.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
PhatTweaker... here it is simply put... some won't like me for saying this either, but so far in my experience in trucking in general -

Solo's in any co., Expediting and/or regular 18 wheeler operations will be run good during the week.

Come the weekend though, you'll more than likely sit and/or do shorter runs and/or "garbage" runs while the teams do the long golden weekend work. That may or may not be true for every co., every person, and/or every operation -
but, generally speaking - that's how it is.

Go to any truckstop on any weekend and you'll see more solo's sitting than teams sitting. The teams you do see in truckstops on weekends I can put money on will not be there for very long.

I run solo, as a co. driver, for a large trucking co. - it's happened to me and many drivers within and outside the co. I run for.

Bus driving was different for me, because the work week (especially for charter bus co.'s) is basically Thurs. thru Sun. PM. That's when you made your money, and if you knew how to "work the people" then you make money... and good tips.
No benefits though.

I drive for a large 18 wheeler co. and average (so far) 2,500 to 3,000 miles a week, AND I Now Have Benefits! The work I've done so far on the weekends isn't the best, or the longest - but it's work and I don't complain. You gotta do the garbage runs that teams toss aside.

My friend, that is THE BEST ADVICE I can tell you, do the garbage runs (BUT NOT ALL THE TIME) and you will be rewarded later. Dispatchers remember you for that, they don't remember you for doing the 800 mile loads or the 1,200 miler loads, they remember you for doing the 150 miler that came up quick and no team would touch it, but you gladly took it.
Whether you want to hear it or not, the cold plain hard truth is... You're in it to please the dispatcher, you please them and keep them in your good graces and your golden.

Most teams will rarely touch somethin' that's less than 400 to 600 miles. That's good work for a solo driver though.
Some runs will be less than 150 to 200 miles. You got 2,000 miles by Thurs. and start gettin' tossed 200 miler stuff - take it, it'll add up before you know it.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin' that Every weekend you're gonna be spending more time in the truck stop TV lounge than in the drivers seat, 'cause you're not. I'm simply saying that while some solo's do good, there's a good many that get frustrated and get out 'cause it's not what they were expecting and/or not what they were told. Don't get frustrated, have patience, and stick it out.
The drivers that can stick it out and are persistant will end up getting what they want and when they want it.
Miracles don't happen overnite, but they do happen.

I can tell you horror stories about trucking co. recruiters.
Most recruiters have never driven OTR trucks of any kind, let alone been thru a truck driving school. Most recruiters will know one thing, they know to tell you what you want to hear.
Keep that in mind.

Take everything amazing a recruiter tells you and write it down, 'cause then when it doesn't come true you have somethin' to get mad at. Write down your recruiters FULL NAME, and all the ways you can get a hold of him/her. There's usually another person that's a step above the recruiter that does the actual paperwork - a processor, driver coordinator or somethin'... co.'s give them different names. Anyways, get that persons name as well and all their contact info.

Also, PhatTweaker, I would consider *and continue to search for, a deal where you don't have to pay for the fuel and tolls. You get up into the New England area's around NJ and NY especially, and you'll quickly burn 50 to 100 bucks in tolls. and I do mean quickly! a co. gets you up there ona weekend doin' short runs and you could put out as much as 200 or more bucks just in tolls.

PhatTweaker, I'm not trying to steer you away from anything - I'm just sharing info with you like the others here. The more you know and the more info you have to work with the better off you'll be to make a good decision. Expediting is great, it's primarily No Touch freight, and small loads - usually not more than 4 to 6 pallets (on average- maybe 8 pallets).
Sometimes you'll have that box filled, but rarely.

Regarding the rig you've been offered to drive...
You do NOT want to be blamed for ANYTHING Wrong...
Look carefully at the rig before you drive it.
I didn't see anybody mention that -
make sure it's clean, check the tires and the brakes, check the cooling and heating systems. Check the windows and window seals (even the ones in the bunk, and if equipped even the vents on the bunk).
Check the stereo, and the CB. You'll use them, you may not think you will, but sooner or later you will.
And when it's time for you to use them, you'll want them to work.
Check all the lights, the wiper system... everything.
Don't forget the cargo box too.

Check that rig over as if you were buying it.
You're paying for it's fuel, you're payin' for it's tolls - do you want to pay for it's maintenance too? I don't think so.
ANYTHING AT ALL WRONG... Write it down on paper (neatly) and have the owner sign that paper, if they kick and scream about fixing it... WALK. if they say they'll fix it later on - get a date on paper.
Why? because otherwise they may just keep putting it off and putting it off. While they're doin' that you may be getting more and more miserable. Choose a rig like you choose a pair of shoes... carefully.

There's an old saying...

always buy a good bed and a good pair of shoes,
if you're not in one, you're in the other.

The rig you'll be driving has got a bed in it right? ok.

By the way PhatTweaker, you got a '95 personal vehicle you think is old? I got an 1986 personal vehicle - fix that 95 of yours up, then you can start on mine.
All I need is paint, and a header gasket on the block.

Hope I was able to help you out - good luck...

Bob
 
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