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Veteran Expediter
Bryan, You said; “It is the presses responsibility to question everything and everyone.It is the people responsibility to question their rpresentitives and the press.That is how a democracy works.Checks and balances are what keeps this country moving forward and free.â€
I somewhat agree with you but see the problem is that checks and balances are a government thing where we have three parts of the same government doing different things but has an obligation to watch at times what the other parts are doing. The problems have been for the past 60 or so years has been the courts and an expansion of the federal government into the areas where states had the rights to govern. The courts have taken upon itself that it has the right to legislate from the bench, which is not their job. When we have a law passed by representatives of the people and the court nullifies the law, it circumvents our power to have a representative government. AND when we vote on a law and someone brings it to a court to be nullified for what ever reason, our power as a citizen is circumvented to the point that we don’t even have the power anymore.
The press has an obligation to question the actions of the government but to a point. They have taken the right of freedom of the press to cover their a** when they disclose secrets and sensitive information. In the past there has been an ‘agreement’ not to talk about certain things that the white house or congress asked not to be published. But since the press is not the US press but a liberal world press, we hear things like the report of a program created to protect us by tracing money through foreign banks that was asked for by the 9/11 commission for the only purpose of hurting the president. Today our biggest enemy is the press in the US, not the terrorist or China, Iran or North Korea.
You Said; “People have questioned every war this country has ever been in.From the Revoltionary War right up to this one.One of the most protested wars was WWII.That is why we were one of the last countries to get involved.â€
I agree that the citizens of the US have questioned each and every war but the revolutionary war. We were not a country until after the war, but I got your point. As for the most protested, it is by far Vietnam which much of the protesting helped the enemy and the enemy almost lost the war until the protesting increased (OK all you who don’t agree with me, read the books written by the VC generals and politicians - this is their claim).
WW2? There was dissention and a big movement for neutrality but truthfully, the numbers dwindled a lot after 12/7. After mid 1944, the public sentiment relaxed and the country was returning to a normal (sort of) prewar life with the relaxation of restriction of rationed items. We were involved with WW2 when we started Lend Lease and sending bundles for Britain. We were the last to get involved because of the Japanese and Roosevelt knew that we would be dragged into the war eventually but not in 1941, I think that he thought we would be ready in late 1942. Stalin was asking for our involvement and so did a lot of other countries but again if we had today’s press at that time, offical Sprache unseres Landes würde Deutsches sein.
TallCal, Come on......
You said; “The people who got us into this(incliding Hillary and Kerry,as they voted for it)are the people that need to get us out.We have no one else(maybe the Hells Angels,if their up to it).One thing is very clear,with only 26% of the PEOPLE currently supporting the effort as it stands today,they are clearly not staisfied with the status quo.â€
OH boy, 26% of the people have no clue, and as for most of the country they listen to the press who have a clear aganda and have no clue.
Yes they also voted for the war with many of their colleagues but it is not something that you can just say, lets go.. we're done here.
You said; “Why not try another approach,which means getting Iraqs neighbors involved.Yes,W has declared Iran part of the axis of evil,but he started this war right next door,the big dummy!â€
NO.... NO.... NO!!!
Getting anyone involved outside of the Iraqis will eventually escalate this because of the positioning of the other counties to exploit the Iraqis. There are internal problems with the Iraqis, some have to do with religion, some have to do with power, some have to do with the lack of understanding how to be a self governing people - but they are really learning and moving ahead over there. When (and if) I find the article, I will post the link about the increase in consumer goods and freedoms they enjoy and the changes in comparison to Saddams goverment, it is written by an Iraqi.
Tallcal, I gots to ask...
Do you know that the Iranians and Syrians are supporting the terrorism that is going on there, not the Iraqis?
Did you know that most of the problems happen in two or three areas of Iraq, not country wide?
Did you know how the Arabic mind works?
You said; “So now he can figure it out.If the now famous "bulge"works,hip hip horay.
But if it fais,he will never be forgiven by many middle eastern countries,as well as many,many Americans.â€
I will say this again, please pay attention; the reason we have so many problems and many countries don’t respect us is because of Carter, not Bush. It is not because we invade Iraq but failed to show strength. If he did what he should have done right from the start, do you honestly think that we would have to go to war with any country in the Middle East? Carter showed the world and the Middle East that we will not support strength but run from problems. When the embassy was attacked and taken over, we should have given them 24 hours to release everyone and vacate our country (embassies are by treaty and the UN part of a country) and if they didn’t, carpet bombed Tehran. The people of the Middle East will forgive our mistakes if we show that we will not back down and deal with them on their level.
I agree with Aviator, we here don’t much info of the positive things that happen over there thanks to the press.
I somewhat agree with you but see the problem is that checks and balances are a government thing where we have three parts of the same government doing different things but has an obligation to watch at times what the other parts are doing. The problems have been for the past 60 or so years has been the courts and an expansion of the federal government into the areas where states had the rights to govern. The courts have taken upon itself that it has the right to legislate from the bench, which is not their job. When we have a law passed by representatives of the people and the court nullifies the law, it circumvents our power to have a representative government. AND when we vote on a law and someone brings it to a court to be nullified for what ever reason, our power as a citizen is circumvented to the point that we don’t even have the power anymore.
The press has an obligation to question the actions of the government but to a point. They have taken the right of freedom of the press to cover their a** when they disclose secrets and sensitive information. In the past there has been an ‘agreement’ not to talk about certain things that the white house or congress asked not to be published. But since the press is not the US press but a liberal world press, we hear things like the report of a program created to protect us by tracing money through foreign banks that was asked for by the 9/11 commission for the only purpose of hurting the president. Today our biggest enemy is the press in the US, not the terrorist or China, Iran or North Korea.
You Said; “People have questioned every war this country has ever been in.From the Revoltionary War right up to this one.One of the most protested wars was WWII.That is why we were one of the last countries to get involved.â€
I agree that the citizens of the US have questioned each and every war but the revolutionary war. We were not a country until after the war, but I got your point. As for the most protested, it is by far Vietnam which much of the protesting helped the enemy and the enemy almost lost the war until the protesting increased (OK all you who don’t agree with me, read the books written by the VC generals and politicians - this is their claim).
WW2? There was dissention and a big movement for neutrality but truthfully, the numbers dwindled a lot after 12/7. After mid 1944, the public sentiment relaxed and the country was returning to a normal (sort of) prewar life with the relaxation of restriction of rationed items. We were involved with WW2 when we started Lend Lease and sending bundles for Britain. We were the last to get involved because of the Japanese and Roosevelt knew that we would be dragged into the war eventually but not in 1941, I think that he thought we would be ready in late 1942. Stalin was asking for our involvement and so did a lot of other countries but again if we had today’s press at that time, offical Sprache unseres Landes würde Deutsches sein.
TallCal, Come on......
You said; “The people who got us into this(incliding Hillary and Kerry,as they voted for it)are the people that need to get us out.We have no one else(maybe the Hells Angels,if their up to it).One thing is very clear,with only 26% of the PEOPLE currently supporting the effort as it stands today,they are clearly not staisfied with the status quo.â€
OH boy, 26% of the people have no clue, and as for most of the country they listen to the press who have a clear aganda and have no clue.
Yes they also voted for the war with many of their colleagues but it is not something that you can just say, lets go.. we're done here.
You said; “Why not try another approach,which means getting Iraqs neighbors involved.Yes,W has declared Iran part of the axis of evil,but he started this war right next door,the big dummy!â€
NO.... NO.... NO!!!
Getting anyone involved outside of the Iraqis will eventually escalate this because of the positioning of the other counties to exploit the Iraqis. There are internal problems with the Iraqis, some have to do with religion, some have to do with power, some have to do with the lack of understanding how to be a self governing people - but they are really learning and moving ahead over there. When (and if) I find the article, I will post the link about the increase in consumer goods and freedoms they enjoy and the changes in comparison to Saddams goverment, it is written by an Iraqi.
Tallcal, I gots to ask...
Do you know that the Iranians and Syrians are supporting the terrorism that is going on there, not the Iraqis?
Did you know that most of the problems happen in two or three areas of Iraq, not country wide?
Did you know how the Arabic mind works?
You said; “So now he can figure it out.If the now famous "bulge"works,hip hip horay.
But if it fais,he will never be forgiven by many middle eastern countries,as well as many,many Americans.â€
I will say this again, please pay attention; the reason we have so many problems and many countries don’t respect us is because of Carter, not Bush. It is not because we invade Iraq but failed to show strength. If he did what he should have done right from the start, do you honestly think that we would have to go to war with any country in the Middle East? Carter showed the world and the Middle East that we will not support strength but run from problems. When the embassy was attacked and taken over, we should have given them 24 hours to release everyone and vacate our country (embassies are by treaty and the UN part of a country) and if they didn’t, carpet bombed Tehran. The people of the Middle East will forgive our mistakes if we show that we will not back down and deal with them on their level.
I agree with Aviator, we here don’t much info of the positive things that happen over there thanks to the press.
