What is your bottom RPM you will run for.

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
On any of my post's you can talk about what ever you want. It's all in good fun. now back to what I asked.

Lets say you just came back in service in a C or D unit and your at home now. Your carrier calls you up and offers a load 500 miles for .90 per mile. Whould you take it?

Absolutely NOT from the house. Having typed that, i've been known to, (when having been out for an extended time, and finding myself in a remote location), load my truck for a bit more than fuel money, IF, the freight goes to the house, and is heavy enough to make the truck ride better than empty.

One thing for sure in this biz, "thay ain't nuthin for sure".
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Lets say you just came back in service in a C or D unit and your at home now. Your carrier calls you up and offers a load 500 miles for .90 per mile. Whould you take it?

No, we would not take that load; not because we were at home but because while we were on that load, a load paying twice that amount could easily pop up and we would miss it because we were on the $0.90 load. We would also decline it because the load itself does not pay enough to make it worthwhile.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
From home, No.
To home, Yes.
I dead headed 440 miles on Friday on my own to pick up my wife. 90 cents a mile would have been better than paying my own fuel.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Then why in the world would people stay at a company that is offering drivers loads like this or and less per mile. And no it's not Panther.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Not very likely. Might consider it if it is with another load on the same truck. That rate wouldn't translate into a exclusive load unless the load originated from Montana or somewhere very remote.

Dave I know you wouldn't run a load like this. You would say add a $1.00 more per mile then we can talk. Our Fleet don't run for less than $1.30 per mile plus fsc.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Then why in the world would people stay at a company that is offering drivers loads like this or and less per mile. And no it's not Panther.

Just because they are offered does not mean that you have to take them. In the words of the anti-drug people, "Just Say No".

Even with ALL of the stupid low offers we see our rates are WAY up over last year. We just refuse loads that we lose money on. It really is simple.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
Being offered a load at low pay is not the same as accepting it.
I just came back from a 9 day solo adventure. From the time I left home until the time I parked at home I made more than $1.30 per mile including deadhead. I was offered many loads below $1 a mile. That doesn't mean I have to take them, and I don't.
I am not a cherry picker, but I will not run if it is not profitable.
 
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x06col

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Retired Expediter
US Army
Then why in the world would people stay at a company that is offering drivers loads like this or and less per mile. And no it's not Panther.

OMG, you must be about to bash something?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Dave I know you wouldn't run a load like this. You would say add a $1.00 more per mile then we can talk. Our Fleet don't run for less than $1.30 per mile plus fsc.

Since you know how we run, you are correct in that my drivers don't need their sleep or personal time wasted with foolish load offers or fielding load offers that they will never run because they sent the load to a competing truck.
It must be profitable for the carrier that engages in this practice because they continue to do it. Pitting one truck against another to see who will do it the cheapest is the obvious reason. Dispatching loads days out kinda rules out the speed factor.
Since they continue to do it, there must be some suffering fools taking them.
Layout has it right. I would say no to the whole thing.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Then why in the world would people stay at a company that is offering drivers loads like this or and less per mile. And no it's not Panther.

I cannot speak for others but only for Diane and me. We stay because we have yet to find another expedite carrier with which we can make more money with the truck we have; or by converting our truck to a dry box truck. Over the years we have contunually checked with various carriers and have yet to have anyone in authority tell us we could do better with them after we tell them our numbers.

The beeps suck but the cash register sings.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
I don't know who you are talking to but I can think of several places that you could get over the 200k mark fairly easy with just a dry van and not have to worry about a reefer or any of the other costs. Of course no one will give you a 100 percent iron clad guarantee, but you don't have that where you are now. Think I would make another round of calls.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I don't know who you are talking to but I can think of several places that you could get over the 200k mark fairly easy with just a dry van and not have to worry about a reefer or any of the other costs. Of course no one will give you a 100 percent iron clad guarantee, but you don't have that where you are now. Think I would make another round of calls.

I was going to say the same thing Dave. Phil if you came over to Panther your base would be $1.65 per mile with .05 when you do a T-val load plus 100% of the FSC which is .32 to .44 per mile plus refer fsc. Your are already DOD I think. Your truck would do very well at Panther to be honest Phil. I can tell you that if my CR unit does very good on refer loads, better than our old carrier.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
OMG, you must be about to bash something?

Nope, just seeing a lot of people talking about getting low ball offers. I'm not trying to bash any company. I never said a carriers name. Because I'm not talking about any carrier. I was just wanting to know. A few years ago everyone said they wouldn't do loads that paid less than a $1.00 a mile for all miles.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
I was going to say the same thing Dave. Phil if you came over to Panther your base would be $1.65 per mile with .05 when you do a T-val load plus 100% of the FSC which is .32 to .44 per mile plus refer fsc. Your are already DOD I think. Your truck would do very well at Panther to be honest Phil. I can tell you that if my CR unit does very good on refer loads, better than our old carrier.

Probably worth a mention as well is that DOD loads pay another 30 cents a mile in addition to the base rate.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Probably worth a mention as well is that DOD loads pay another 30 cents a mile in addition to the base rate.

Looking at the rates you quote we might be able to make the same at Panther. I see little chance for gain. Might even lose a bit as it stands now.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would say the biggest difference is very low deadhead at Panther and not usually sitting for days waiting on a load unless you choose to. I am referring to straights in this case.
I would say the higher paying loads are fairly similar at both places.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I would say the biggest difference is very low deadhead at Panther and not usually sitting for days waiting on a load unless you choose to. I am referring to straights in this case.
I would say the higher paying loads are fairly similar at both places.

I would agree with you Dave. Our deadhead has went down 50% or more from our old carrier. My dry box trucks are doing just as much as our CR units did at our old carrier. With almost 17 years in the business this will be our best year EVER. Panther has kept us busy for the most part that we have went from 4 trucks to 9 trucks. We hope to add more trucks to the fleet as we open another office/cross dock in Medina Ohio.
 

FJK1954

Expert Expediter
Then why in the world would people stay at a company that is offering drivers loads like this or and less per mile. And no it's not Panther.

just becuse they are OFFERING them doesnt mean im taking them, i take the ones that work for me and ignore the rest,,,yet im having a record year with THAT company!! thanks frank
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
The current climate in expediting is such that money can be made in a variety of ways and places. The assertion that the highest revenue can only be obtained at one carrier is not even close to being factual.
That is the point I was making.
 
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