What gives?

[muttly]

Given the article Turtle posted and the statement by the family that the women's wishes were to die naturally, WHY did the "nurse" call 911 in the first place so that emergency personnel could possibly intervene? They could have possibly resuscitated her against her wishes.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Meanwhile, the company that owns the facility now says its worker failed to follow proper procedures.

Dun dun dun. Another one under the bus.
Dun dun dun. Another one under the bus.
And another one thrown. And another one thrown.
Another one under the bus.
Hey! Gonna scapegoat you! Another one under the bus.

 

[jaminjim]

I think that there are quite a few elderly people out here that would prefer to go out in just a few minutes rather than being 'saved' but end up crapping in a bedpan or a bag laying in a bed with a tube stuck down their throat for three years.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I think that there are quite a few elderly people out here that would prefer to go out in just a few minutes rather than being 'saved' but end up crapping in a bedpan or a bag laying in a bed with a tube stuck down their throat for three years.

Not necessarily if they still move and think well. Why want to die if you're still living?

 

[jaminjim]

I mean that if they are up there in age and its their time more than a few would rather kick the bucket within a few minutes of an attack as opposed to dragging it out with pain and discomfort over a two or three year period. I wasn't kidding when I said my mother would be pi$$ed if I were to do CPR on her. She is in her mid eighties, and we have talked about it.

 

[Humble2drive]

So Ken, you find the rinse cycle and human life to be equal? If your (and everyone else substituting their primary loved one whoever that may be as I'm not picking on only you) wife couldn't breathe and the group of people around her called 911 but refused to help her and she died before paramedics could arrive you would think that's acceptable?

Decided to go on another fishing trip there LDB?
Presenting a completely different and irrelevant scenario and attempting to compare it to the OP was a weak attempt at bolstering your agenda.
This time, the fish you tried to lure was a bit to clever to go for your smelly old bait.

 

[Ragman]

Decided to go on another fishing trip there LDB?
Presenting a completely different and irrelevant scenario and attempting to compare it to the OP was a weak attempt at bolstering your agenda.
This time, the fish you tried to lure was a bit to clever to go for your smelly old bait.

Go easy on LDB, for he is from Texas and can't help himself.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I mean that if they are up there in age and its their time more than a few would rather kick the bucket within a few minutes of an attack as opposed to dragging it out with pain and discomfort over a two or three year period. I wasn't kidding when I said my mother would be pi$$ed if I were to do CPR on her. She is in her mid eighties, and we have talked about it.

Agree.....

 

[AMonger]

I don't know what the laws were in her state, but in many states, nurses or other licensed medical personnel are legally obligated to intervene in a medical emergency, as a condition of their license, regardless of their office or circumstances. iow, regardless of whether this facility provided medical care or not, in some states, that she was a nurse would have obligated her.

 

[RoadTime]

The following is our medical emergency policy:

In the event of a health emergency we will take the trouble of dialing 911 and then we'll do absolutely nothing except sit and watch and wait. Don't expect us to do anything to attempt to save the life of your loved one...

Not to get off track, but this reminds me of a incident that occurred at a popular Buffet. A man was slumped over a table. It was such a non-event that I didn't even notice anything was wrong until I was getting my dessert and EMS comes by me with a stretcher going not 10 feet from where I stood. From what I observed, the staff had made no attempt to do anything but call 911 just like in this story. EMS did take him to the floor and start CPR. I've seen enough to know that by now it did not look good. My shock was at a food service place, no staff new CPR or any life saving techniques? What if it was a matter of chocking and just needed his airway cleared. Point is that nothing was done. So I wonder if they had the same policy. What was more disturbing, was the room was filled with several medical personnel I knew (including myself) that a simple announcement for assistance would have put us into action and gave him a chance to live. Very sad if this is the case.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

While at Big Boy, my wife noticed a man choking. I went over to help him, but he was too heavy, and barrel-chested. Another man helped me get him out of the booth, but I couldn't do the Heimlich correctly, and I think he had a coronary from lack of oxygen.

I agree that restaurants should have managers learn CPR and the Heimlich, and be held harmless if they attempt it and fail to revive the victim. What good are those Heimlich charts for, hanging up behind the counters, if the employees don't use them? I could've at least used some help keeping him upright.

 

[cubansammich]

Obamacare.

No, much to your dismay it is not the Affordable Care Act. The family has since been interviewed and verified it was the wish of the patient and the family not to have her resuscitated in the event of any emergency such as this was, even though there was not a DNR on file. They say they will not sue.

 

[cubansammich]

While at Big Boy, my wife noticed a man choking. I went over to help him, but he was too heavy, and barrel-chested. Another man helped me get him out of the booth, but I couldn't do the Heimlich correctly, and I think he had a coronary from lack of oxygen.

I agree that restaurants should have managers learn CPR and the Heimlich, and be held harmless if they attempt it and fail to revive the victim. What good are those Heimlich charts for, hanging up behind the counters, if the employees don't use them? I could've at least used some help keeping him upright.

Are you saying you did the Heimlich Maneuver incorrectly and the man died?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Are you saying you did the Heimlich Maneuver incorrectly and the man died?

I'm saying the man was barrel-chested, and I couldn't get my arms all the way around him. He was too heavy to hold up by myself. We had to lay him on the ground; and by that time, we believe he had a heart attack.

 

[LDB]

No, much to your dismay it is not the Affordable Care Act. The family has since been interviewed and verified it was the wish of the patient and the family not to have her resuscitated in the event of any emergency such as this was, even though there was not a DNR on file. They say they will not sue.

If they wanted DNR they should have executed a proper DNR. Without doing so there would have been every reason to help her, if there had been anyone decent there to do so. I have no dismay and I know this wasn't a direct result of Obamacare. I just threw that out to get the rise I knew it would get. I have empathy and sadness for those who are going to be abandoned and abused by Obamacare. I have disgust for those who caused Obamacare.

 

[muttly]

No, much to your dismay it is not the Affordable Care Act. The family has since been interviewed and verified it was the wish of the patient and the family not to have her resuscitated in the event of any emergency such as this was, even though there was not a DNR on file. They say they will not sue.

There is no indication the nurse knew this at the time of the 911 call. Because the family didn't have a problem with what happened because of the patient's wish, is irrelevant in respect to the nurses actions and response to an emergency since it appears she wasn't privy to this request.

Secondly, while the ACA is not applicable in this case, it appears that the liberal group think is already contemplating the health care rationing that is certainly on its way with the implementation of Obamacare.

From article:
During a panel discussion on Tuesday's NBC Today about an elderly woman being denied CPR at an assisted living facility and later dying, pundit Donny Deutsch immediately worried about the health care expense that may have been incurred if the woman had lived: "It's obviously a very sad story, but it really brings up, I think, a larger issue that we've got to get our arms around, that 25% of the health care costs are against people in their last year of their life, the 4 or 5% of people, keeping people alive." [Watch the video after the jump]

Deutsch suggested it was time to shift priorities: "..we maybe need to give hard looks that some of the procedures being done to extend lives six weeks, eight weeks, ten weeks, that maybe that money could go to saving little babies." NBC chief medical editor Nancy Snyderman agreed: "I hope this a national conversation about death and dying." Moments later, she demanded that there be no investigation into the death of the 87-year-old denied CPR: "I'm sorry, I hope this is one time where the lawyers and the police stay the hell out of it."


Read more: NewsBusters | Exposing Liberal Media Bias

NBC Touts Death Panels as Way to Keep Medical Costs Down | NewsBusters

 

[LDB]

Secondly, while the ACA is not applicable in this case, it appears that the liberal group think is already contemplating the health care rationing that is certainly on its way with the implementation of Obamacare.

From article:
During a panel discussion on Tuesday's NBC Today about an elderly woman being denied CPR at an assisted living facility and later dying, pundit Donny Deutsch immediately worried about the health care expense that may have been incurred if the woman had lived: "It's obviously a very sad story, but it really brings up, I think, a larger issue that we've got to get our arms around, that 25% of the health care costs are against people in their last year of their life, the 4 or 5% of people, keeping people alive." [Watch the video after the jump]

Deutsch suggested it was time to shift priorities: "..we maybe need to give hard looks that some of the procedures being done to extend lives six weeks, eight weeks, ten weeks, that maybe that money could go to saving little babies." NBC chief medical editor Nancy Snyderman agreed: "I hope this a national conversation about death and dying." Moments later, she demanded that there be no investigation into the death of the 87-year-old denied CPR: "I'm sorry, I hope this is one time where the lawyers and the police stay the hell out of it."

Yeah, that's where we're headed with Obamacare, rationing and allowing to die. Don't worry though, our resident koolaiders will be along shortly to deny it and defend it all.

 

[cheri1122]

I see nothing wrong with that policy... This is America... You get the service you pay for... The lady was NOT a patient... She had a lease and details Were probably included about policy. That is like expecting the laundromat attendant to catch the rinse cycle for you.

What's wrong with the policy is explained in the first paragraph of the article in JamminJim's post, with the comment that the policy "is common in assisted living facilities, but not always understood by residents. There is no care provided."
That 'no care' extends to CPR in an emergency is a policy that should be understood by residents [and their families] before a choice is made to accept it, but you can't help but think some facilities don't really ensure that the policy is known upfront. As I said before, one doesn't consider performing CPR in an emergency to fall under the umbrella of 'providing medical care', so who'd think to ask beforehand? [Bet they will now, though.]
This family was ok with it, and like JJ's mother, a lot of others would be too [including myself], but the facility needs to ensure that everyone knows what to expect up front.

 

[Turtle]

We have two nursing homes and two assisted living facilities in the town where I live. The nursing homes provide 24-hour medical care with real, actual nurses and everything, and the two assisted living facilities do not provide any medical care beyond that of calling 911, and everyone is well aware of that fact. There's a difference between assisted living facilities (and retirement homes) and nursing homes, although many people incorrectly use the three terms interchangeably. Assisted living facilities are generally for those with disabilities and senior citizens who have problems performing daily tasks without assistance (i.e., just plain old and can't get around like they used to). The extent of medical care in these facilities is usually help with administering medications at the appropriate times. Nursing homes provide 24-hour medical care and usually emergency medical care. There is rarely any confusion with residents and families as to which one is which. All one has to do is look at the monthly costs of each to see which one is which.