What are you going to do ?

[moose]

for cars & light trucks the MANDATED fuel efficient of 2016 is said to be met by car manufacturer.
How Automakers Will Meet 2016 CAFE Standards - Feature - Car and Driver
no biggy.
for large trucks ALL American EOM's said they WILL meet the requirements,
of improving fuel consumption by 20%.
Federal fuel efficiency rules revealed | Running Green content from Fleet Owner
what we are going to see in the next few years is large fleets reducing orders of new trucks, in preparation for the new technology.
now is just about the last minutes to buy new.
except of the question of IF your new perches will be legal in 8 years from now.
the more important question to ask is IF you will be able to compete in the market place using a truck that consumed way more fuel.
one solution we already see, is leasing options.
Pacar Lease, Toyota financial services, Daimler Truck Truck Financing, and the Volvo N.A group,{to name a few}, all offering Lease options in which O/O can upgrade their trucks, as new technology becomes available.
O/O needs to changes their long time business model.
you do not buy a truck keep it in good working order, and suck the life out of it in a long decade & a half of ownership to see a good ROI.
you make friends with a monthly payments for your business lifespan. in the long term it will cost you less.
as O/O advocates, we MUST demands this kind of services from EOM's, as new trucks simply becomes too expensiveness to financed and to see a ROI under the old business model. of the trucking industry {& WAY more in the Expedite nitch} is small business ownership, we are recognized by EOM's to be the larges consumer base of their trucks.
the industry is changing, and we needs to change with it.
or we can opted out from the industry, which ever float your deep see fishing boat.

 

[zorry]

Those new trucks Jones is building have not factored into TVal much.

A guy that bought a 2012 TK when I was buying mine flunked TVal twice. I spoke to the driver personally. They hadn't went for a third try at the time we spoke.

A friend bought a 2013 that failed the first try. Passed the second attempt.
Same friend bought a 2014 that passed on the first time.

Problem solved ?
I think not..

Another contributor here took his long awaited 2014 recently and failed.

So out of 5 trucks 3 failed. Only 2 passed the first time.

I don't know the complete history, only these 5 trucks that I know the people personally.

This hasn't been talked about, but if I were in the market I would heavily research this prior to choosing a reefer unit.

 

[davekc]

No need to research as the rates aren't currently there. They are a waste of money.
Doesn't mean you can't make money, it just means the return doesn't justify the investment.

 

[CCDriver]

Seems it's just not the Cali CARB laws just about everything being done today makes life a bit rougher. Laws requiring a 34 hour restart that can be really up to 41 hours due to the 1 to 5 am periods needed. Can't have 2 restarts in a week,30 min rest breaks. Think it's time for drivers to all get the flu the same week let the good citizens of our great land run out of toothpaste and toilet paper. Then when they start raising a bit of a ruckus with their elected officials..... Forget the 30 min break 24 hour restart is enough rest for any person and as many times a week as it happens. I know if I stay in a truck able to travel to California (or buy my own) I would expect $1000 to $2000 more per trip to that wonderful land of fruits and nuts.

 

[coalminer]

I don't know about fuel-efficient trucks, but natural gas powered trucks are becoming increasingly common and will continue to grow in number. We see, in the present day, natrual gas fueling stations being built near truck stops. Methinks that natural gas is destined to be the truck fuel of the future.

And that may very well lead to the retroactive regulation that jjoerger worries about above. What's to stop the tree huggers from changing the rules to make diesel trucks illegal or to tax them to be prohibitively expensive to operate when natural gas becomes the tree hugger favorite? Answer: Not a darn thing. CARB did it with reefers. They'll have no problem doing it with diesel fuel too.

I wouldn't worry about a natural gas mandate, the emissions from a CNG equipped truck and a 2010 MY diesel engine are pretty close, especially when it comes to the emission that was targeted with the SCR, which is NOx. when it comes to CO2, the natural gas engine is 25% less.

Right now, a CNG engine does not require a DPF, or a SCR and the fuel is much cheaper, now as more and more trucks are on the road that use it, the price will go up, also I would expect to see some sort of tax being levied to the CNG trucks to make up for the lack of highway fuel taxes collected.

If the fleets that run dedicated lanes change to CNG, they will make out, as for the typical expediter like us, not so much.

Also California was in a unique situation, dense population and the weather pattern that draws so many people to live there also makes pollution hang around and not get dispursed. I don't blame them for what they did when it comes to the laws, particulates and NOx are a big part of the pollution problem. If the addition of a SCR was only a small gain in the war against NOx, it would be one thing, but it was a major upgrade.

 

[zorry]

Just had coffee with friend from California.
$16,000 to retrofit his H-I-N-O !

 

[guido4475]

I'd move.No doubt.

 

[ATeam]

Also California was in a unique situation, dense population and the weather pattern that draws so many people to live there also makes pollution hang around and not get dispursed. I don't blame them for what they did when it comes to the laws, particulates and NOx are a big part of the pollution problem. If the addition of a SCR was only a small gain in the war against NOx, it would be one thing, but it was a major upgrade.

I do not disagree, but I do disagree with the state's decision to retroactively apply the rules. They could have done it like they do with cars where existing vehicles are allowed to continue running and new laws apply to new vehicles. Over time, the old ones go away and, except for antiques, the new ones rule the road. Applying new rules to vehicles that were purchased in good faith under the then-current rules is unfair, unjust, and financially harsh on the owners of existing vehicles.

 

[coalminer]

I do not disagree, but I do disagree with the state's decision to retroactively apply the rules. They could have done it like they do with cars where existing vehicles are allowed to continue running and new laws apply to new vehicles. Over time, the old ones go away and, except for antiques, the new ones rule the road. Applying new rules to vehicles that were purchased in good faith under the then-current rules is unfair, unjust, and financially harsh on the owners of existing vehicles.

Yes that is a good point, I'm sure their reasoning was that the typical truck runs way more miles than your average car, which would wear it out faster and would be replaced anyway.

One point to make is that if you only make one or two trips to CA every year, you can register with CARB, and get a 1000 mile per year exemption.

 

[moose]

SCR {like DPF & EGR} is an federal mandate. CARB just used it, & abused it, to their own wishing.
if SCR {or DPF or EGR} was a CARB mandate- almost noone would've bought those worthless trucks.
& EOM's would've never bothered with them.
same goes with the current SCR trucks, once the 2018 models will hit the road {3 years & counting down}, CARB will soon outlaw trucks base on year models.

 

[eggd1ver]

If were all watching the rates going to cal. are being driven down right now so the carriers hopefully does not see the up tick go to high. We have been in out lately and if you are running prepass you will get caught. I know as we all do this could be a big money grab for cal. If they inforce this reg. and my thoughts they are if they pull you are you are running prepass.