What are you going to do ?
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
True. Just read about one CA company that was just fined around 250k for not being compliant. More fines are on the way, if they don't comply by Nov.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Did I read about a non-californian that got caught with a bad reefer unit ?
When he upgraded the unit the repair shop was required to destroy the old engine. They put holes in the block of a perfectly good, but non-compliant engine.
Was it a bad dream, or did I read that ?
If true, seems awfully extreme. And costly !
Edit: Phil spoke about destroying the engine blocks in Nov, 2011. Something he had been told by shops in Tn and Mn.
When he upgraded the unit the repair shop was required to destroy the old engine. They put holes in the block of a perfectly good, but non-compliant engine.
Was it a bad dream, or did I read that ?
If true, seems awfully extreme. And costly !
Edit: Phil spoke about destroying the engine blocks in Nov, 2011. Something he had been told by shops in Tn and Mn.
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It's not just California. If we upgraded our reefer by replacing the engine, it would likely be done at our reefer dealer in Tenessee. They explained that in such an upgrade, they would be required by law to drill holes into the old engine to destroy it.
It is true in the sense that CA can regulate CA-registered trucks more stringently than trucks that are registered out of state. CA-registered trucks are subject to reporting requirements that non-CA trucks can avoid. Failure to report can result in hefty fines.
I'm not sure, but I think the hole-drilling thing is a federal EPA requirement, not from CARB.
It might be related to those who purchased during one of the grant assisted programs. They did the same thing with the cash for clunkers program.
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letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
That is exactly what will happen. The rates WILL rise as fewer trucks qualify and o/o's with the older obsolete (cali anyhow) trucks do other things...
Well, bottom feeders carry that moniker for a reason. They will find a way in if they can get away with it...
moose
Veteran Expediter
Mark my words:
expedite rates going into California will not increased in the near future.
definitely not enough to offset investment.
mark my words II:
SCR/DEF trucks will be retroactive outlawed as well when the time comes.
defiantly by CARB, probably by EPA.
once the 2018 fuel efficient trucks hit the production line, {Jan.15. 2017}, rules will be soon to follow, that will outlaw thirsty rigs.
you read it 1st here on EO.
some say i can predict the future.
{i can predict that a coffee is my very near future}
expedite rates going into California will not increased in the near future.
definitely not enough to offset investment.
mark my words II:
SCR/DEF trucks will be retroactive outlawed as well when the time comes.
defiantly by CARB, probably by EPA.
once the 2018 fuel efficient trucks hit the production line, {Jan.15. 2017}, rules will be soon to follow, that will outlaw thirsty rigs.
you read it 1st here on EO.
some say i can predict the future.
{i can predict that a coffee is my very near future}
For the sake of owner-operators who have invested big money in their reefer trucks, I hope you are correct, but I would not bank on it.
CARB rules are not new and older trucks have been phasing out for a while now; not only because of CARB rules but also because older trucks get replaced in the natural course of events.
The reefer business that expediters do in California is a microscopic slice of the overall reefer business done in California. Huge numbers of reefer trucks haul produce out of California every day. If we were going to see a meaningful increase in reefer rates due to a shortage of reefer trucks prompted by CARB regulations, I think we would have seen it by now.
Just this week, Diane and I drove by the Thermo King dealer near Fort Wayne, IN where Jeff Jones builds big-sleeper expediter trucks and has reefers installed on some of them. There were about a half-dozen brand-new reefer straight trucks sitting there. Presumably, these trucks have buyers waiting for them, or the expectation is that buyers will soon be found.
While some people are opting out of California, others are paying the higher prices for these new reefer trucks, helping to keep the California fleet fresh. And they are doing so with no guarantee that California rates will rise to offset the higher expense.
For a while now, there has been a fair amount of speculation by owner-operators that a reefer-truck shortage will develop in California because of CARB regs. But if such a shortage is developing for real on the ground, I have yet to see it.
And if such a shortage does develop, it will not take long for the marketplace to respond to the higher prices the shortage produces and inject additional units into the market, increasing the supply and putting downward pressure on prices.
Just because an owner-operator runs a reefer truck, it does not follow that he or she treats the business like a business, knows one's operating costs and maintains price discipline.
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One of the things that bothers me about this whole regulation of in use engines by CARB is the fact that they can change the rules at anytime. If I bought a new truck today what is to stop them from declaring it non compliant next year?
As Moose pointed out, there is a change coming in 2018. LNG and CNG fueled trucks are starting to hit the market now.
What will CA's requirements be tomorrow?
As Moose pointed out, there is a change coming in 2018. LNG and CNG fueled trucks are starting to hit the market now.
What will CA's requirements be tomorrow?
That is why we are exploring other options. Out of control regulators are making this business less attractive with each passing day. Heavy, often senseless regulation, is also having a dampening affect on business across the board, not just trucking.
Joe I am quite sure you've explored being a regular surface truck?....The long time members the DD's make it work....
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Fuel efficient trucks? Doubt it's going to happen in our lifetime. They have the technology to make cars that can go 50mph right now, without the hybrid BS, but that goes directly against what big oil wants. All the talk on Capital Hill was just that... talk, about mandating car companies to create high mileage cars.
The ONLY reason for me to work is to earn money. Working to zero taxes is a waste of life. I work to build wealth and ONLY to build wealth. I would MUCH rather just hunt and fish. IF that were the case, I would weigh less, have fewer health problems and be MUCH happier than I am now. Work is work, it pays for life's needs, period.
I don't know about fuel-efficient trucks, but natural gas powered trucks are becoming increasingly common and will continue to grow in number. We see, in the present day, natrual gas fueling stations being built near truck stops. Methinks that natural gas is destined to be the truck fuel of the future.
And that may very well lead to the retroactive regulation that jjoerger worries about above. What's to stop the tree huggers from changing the rules to make diesel trucks illegal or to tax them to be prohibitively expensive to operate when natural gas becomes the tree hugger favorite? Answer: Not a darn thing. CARB did it with reefers. They'll have no problem doing it with diesel fuel too.
