witness23
Veteran Expediter
Please, can you show me what you are accusing me of doing.
What a great story this is......
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Please, can you show me what you are accusing me of doing.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Really, are you sure you're not mistaking me with someone else? Because I really can't recall a time I've done that with you
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witness23
Veteran Expediter
That's your example? That constitutes you saying that I often accuse you of not reading posts? I asked if you listened to RLENT's video clip, not read it. Which you never did answer that question or the other questions I asked you in that thread. "You didn't listen to the clip, did you?" is a question and a reasonable one at that. That being, there is a audible difference between "censure" and "censor". On top of that it was not my thread, it was RLENT's thread.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Are you talking about my interjection or this from the main story.....
And I'm not sure how you think bringing God into it "cheapens" the thing???
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
This was the thread that my mind went to and I linked to it. I'm not digging any further for more examples. If the word "often" upsets you, that's too bad because I won't delete that either. If you want to split hairs about the difference between "reading" a link and "listening" to a link, go ahead as that's not the point of the thing now is it?
I'm not going to go backwards and debate you about threads past so you can put all of your censure vs. censor crap away.
You're real sensitive when someone "accuses"
you of something but have no problem spewing crap about others. Don't dish it out if you can't take it because sooner or later that good old fashioned karma catches up with us all.
Brisco
Expert Expediter
Just watched that whole video.........had seen only bits and pieces about Ted Williams since he made the spotlight........gotta say, sure the heck hopes he makes it.
It's very clear he's still in the early stages of detoxification. The guy needs a 24 hour sponsor with him at all times to help him make this adjustment. He truly needs to step back, take a few weeks to absorb what is all being brought forth his way, get himself healthier than he looks today, and set himself some life goals with a lifecoach holding his hand for the next year or 2. Right now, he's like a 20 something year old that's been thrown into the limelight with no warning/advice whatsoever.
If, and I do clearly say IF he happens to succeed with this new life that's being offered to him by many many generous people/companies/corporations, and he has a rags to riches life story, the Ted Williams story would make a great Movie. Kind of like that "Pursuit of Happyness" movie that Will Smith was in. I guarantee you there's Hollywood writers typing away on their keyboards as we speak.
Who do you think would make a good actor to portray Ted Williams? First choice comes to my mind right now would be Steve Buscemi.
It's very clear he's still in the early stages of detoxification. The guy needs a 24 hour sponsor with him at all times to help him make this adjustment. He truly needs to step back, take a few weeks to absorb what is all being brought forth his way, get himself healthier than he looks today, and set himself some life goals with a lifecoach holding his hand for the next year or 2. Right now, he's like a 20 something year old that's been thrown into the limelight with no warning/advice whatsoever.
If, and I do clearly say IF he happens to succeed with this new life that's being offered to him by many many generous people/companies/corporations, and he has a rags to riches life story, the Ted Williams story would make a great Movie. Kind of like that "Pursuit of Happyness" movie that Will Smith was in. I guarantee you there's Hollywood writers typing away on their keyboards as we speak.
Who do you think would make a good actor to portray Ted Williams? First choice comes to my mind right now would be Steve Buscemi.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
That's a non-answer answer. I don't see where interjecting God cheapens ANYTHING......that's why I asked.
Brisco
Expert Expediter
I believe I mentioned the Chris Gardner story above.
But, it's been 2-3 years since I've seen that Will Smith movie, so I didn't exactly put these 2 together til you mentioned him again.
As well as puttin' some pants on and getting out of the basement for a while too..............
Witness was right: you're out of line and owe him an apology for posting a hit and run insult with no provocation.
Same as you did in your comments about my daughter: simply ignore the reaction, pretend it didn't happen, move on, everyone forgets, right?
I gave up expecting the 'moderators' to intervene, [because then they might have to discipline one of their own], but we can and should police ourselves, as the Diva said.
Are you capable of admitting to a mistake, or do you believe your comments were justified?
Ignoring it is maybe the best approach to bickering between family, or old married folks, but here - uh uh. If we cannot resolve disagreements as they occur, shouldn't we at least make an effort?
BTW: I don't see where bringing God into it 'cheapens' it either - lots of folks do that, and are sincerely grateful, which seems a good thing, to me.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The movie doesn't do the man justice, he said that there were a lot of liberties taken that were not factual as part of the movie making process. The story, as he tells is seems to be more of the struggle like I am talking about than the struggle many seem to make out as hard.
I think this guy who has been discovered should be in the media arts, he would make a great voice over actor, and was a radio 'announcer' at one time but the problem is that everyone seems to think this is a great story when it isn't until it is finished. This is just another story about helping a guy out, but because it seems he has a history in the media, they make a big deal about how he was discovered doesn't mean a thing, the same with the emphasis on his 'homelessness' as being something tragic. What is tragic is the fact that a lot of people are struggling and they just need a little help and they have refused to take the easy way out in dealing with life. These are the people who fall through the cracks - not the addict. Many of those who fell through the cracks take their responsibilities seriously like raising kids or even helping others.
I think this guy who has been discovered should be in the media arts, he would make a great voice over actor, and was a radio 'announcer' at one time but the problem is that everyone seems to think this is a great story when it isn't until it is finished. This is just another story about helping a guy out, but because it seems he has a history in the media, they make a big deal about how he was discovered doesn't mean a thing, the same with the emphasis on his 'homelessness' as being something tragic. What is tragic is the fact that a lot of people are struggling and they just need a little help and they have refused to take the easy way out in dealing with life. These are the people who fall through the cracks - not the addict. Many of those who fell through the cracks take their responsibilities seriously like raising kids or even helping others.
Seriously Greg? Interjecting? When the whole interview Ted gave God credit and glory?
I guess it was just all random chance that everyone was in the right place at right time for this story to happen.
And they should give the jobs to someone else?
Would it kill you to be positive and happy for a feel good story?
I gotta ask, if you won the lottery, would you be the guy complaining about how much the tax was?
This is.a wonderful story of grace and redemption ... and the "interjection of God" did not cheapen it.... it gave testimony to the fact He gives second chances. Now what Mr. Williams does with.his second chance will be the tale.
Dale
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
It isn't about his invocation of God, it is what others seem to be saying about God and how this all transpired. This seems to be on the heals of other "season miracles" that the press gets a hold of and makes a big deal about - more on that later. What I mean when I say cheapens the story is that many times we forsake the true meaning of what our creator and his prophets ask us to do, which is to take care of those who can't take care of themselves but instead if you listen to others casually throw God around to make either a case to justify something or in this case benefit a media blitz, it is cheapening God like he is an accessory. People are helping him out under the lights and camera and when God is mentioned, it isn't because of any true meaning by those who mention him (not from the guy but the reporters) and it looks like it is done in leveraging the story to make it bigger than it really is.
The fact is he was in the media arts, he screwed up but he has yet climbed out of the hole on his own, which is what he needs to do - all matters in the bigger picture. I don't know if he is going to make it, I hope so but on the other hand I think the effort shouldn't stop there, which is my gripe to begin with - a lot of people are really selective in who and why they help, sometimes at the expense of those who need help. There are more deserving people out there and if he is like others who were helped, then he will help others in return - it's called earning the second chance.
NOW the other half of my b*tch is with this idea that we need to jump for joy when something like this happens, we really shouldn't because we should expect people not to be selfish and to help others out when they can - I know that isn't human nature but for those who seem to be a follower of God, it seems not to happen as much as we would like it to.
I have asked this in the past and will again - who have you helped?
NOT expecting an answer and may catch all kinds of bullsh*t over it, it is asked to get people to think about it.
I understand Dale you are a religious person so you will understand what I'm getting at when I say Christmas isn't once a year but all year long and we should think about those people who need help all year long. God didn't come to us and say, "help them between December and February" did he?
Charity is something that is asked of us and many many fail to do something, even the simplest things sometimes scream about how religious they are (not you Dale). It can be the littlest things like just to have some respect for someone who has a bad day or grab a shopping cart for an old lady.
You asked about those jobs, yes those offers should be made to others with a talent and who have to deal with a disadvantage. We have too many government programs in place that are supposed to help others but they don't allow people to actually do things that would help themselves. Just maybe taking a few kids from broken homes or inner-city kids who have no chance and putting them through an intern program with some of the companies that offered this guy a job would be a great thing and change a lot of lives.
Believing in someone by the way is a very charitable thing and I bet a lot of people who read my rants never thought of that being important. In this guy's case, someone believes in him and that changed his outlook - which is more important than the job offers or any material thing - don't you agree?
You asked about the lottery, you should know better than that if you have ever read some of my stuff. I give money away to people in need, without concern about myself, some look at it as a problem or a stupid thing to do but I don't. If I would win the lottery, I'll be honest with you - I would first hide from my relatives, then I would pay my debts off, finish my MBA and then give the money away - in that order. If my wife doesn't like it, too bad her problem. The point is I don't want that burden, I would rather do some good with it by directly handing it to people who can use it. I wouldn't be like Gates or Buffet, who uses their money to pad their tax deductions but rather be like that guy who used to dress up in the Santa suit and hand out $100 bills.
Wondering what would you do?
Maybe with all of that, you see my point. Again I hope he does succeed and then go and help others but until then ...
The fact is he was in the media arts, he screwed up but he has yet climbed out of the hole on his own, which is what he needs to do - all matters in the bigger picture. I don't know if he is going to make it, I hope so but on the other hand I think the effort shouldn't stop there, which is my gripe to begin with - a lot of people are really selective in who and why they help, sometimes at the expense of those who need help. There are more deserving people out there and if he is like others who were helped, then he will help others in return - it's called earning the second chance.
NOW the other half of my b*tch is with this idea that we need to jump for joy when something like this happens, we really shouldn't because we should expect people not to be selfish and to help others out when they can - I know that isn't human nature but for those who seem to be a follower of God, it seems not to happen as much as we would like it to.
I have asked this in the past and will again - who have you helped?
NOT expecting an answer and may catch all kinds of bullsh*t over it, it is asked to get people to think about it.
I understand Dale you are a religious person so you will understand what I'm getting at when I say Christmas isn't once a year but all year long and we should think about those people who need help all year long. God didn't come to us and say, "help them between December and February" did he?
Charity is something that is asked of us and many many fail to do something, even the simplest things sometimes scream about how religious they are (not you Dale). It can be the littlest things like just to have some respect for someone who has a bad day or grab a shopping cart for an old lady.
You asked about those jobs, yes those offers should be made to others with a talent and who have to deal with a disadvantage. We have too many government programs in place that are supposed to help others but they don't allow people to actually do things that would help themselves. Just maybe taking a few kids from broken homes or inner-city kids who have no chance and putting them through an intern program with some of the companies that offered this guy a job would be a great thing and change a lot of lives.
Believing in someone by the way is a very charitable thing and I bet a lot of people who read my rants never thought of that being important. In this guy's case, someone believes in him and that changed his outlook - which is more important than the job offers or any material thing - don't you agree?
You asked about the lottery, you should know better than that if you have ever read some of my stuff. I give money away to people in need, without concern about myself, some look at it as a problem or a stupid thing to do but I don't. If I would win the lottery, I'll be honest with you - I would first hide from my relatives, then I would pay my debts off, finish my MBA and then give the money away - in that order. If my wife doesn't like it, too bad her problem. The point is I don't want that burden, I would rather do some good with it by directly handing it to people who can use it. I wouldn't be like Gates or Buffet, who uses their money to pad their tax deductions but rather be like that guy who used to dress up in the Santa suit and hand out $100 bills.
Wondering what would you do?
Maybe with all of that, you see my point. Again I hope he does succeed and then go and help others but until then ...
ftp000
Expert Expediter
I want this to be a great story as much as anybody, and I have no doubts when it comes to the Power of God to change a life and heart. And I believe in second chances.
That being said we should wait and see if the other shoe drops before we proclaim this the feel good story of the year. Check "thesmokinggun.com" and see how many fellonies this man has had and how recent they have been. Proclaiming that God has done a great work in someones life and then finding out later that you've been fooled can make Christians easy targets for non believers. I'm not saying that man is a for sure fake, I'm just saying I'd like to more proof before I adopt him as proof of the Power of God. IMO
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That being said we should wait and see if the other shoe drops before we proclaim this the feel good story of the year. Check "thesmokinggun.com" and see how many fellonies this man has had and how recent they have been. Proclaiming that God has done a great work in someones life and then finding out later that you've been fooled can make Christians easy targets for non believers. I'm not saying that man is a for sure fake, I'm just saying I'd like to more proof before I adopt him as proof of the Power of God. IMO
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Ok Greg, I get your point, and agree on most (sittin down?) LoL. I actually just had an article published locally about celebrating Christmas year round.
I do agree that many will 'jump on the bandwagon' being near the holidays, but I misunderstood I guess exactly what you meant. To me, it looked like you were saying God had nothing to do with it, and putting God in the story was wrong.
And as for giving....you asked what I do... well, I believe in "giving alms quietly", suffice it to say its on very bottum rung, "grassroots" level, if you will. My belief is simple... if someone says "I need milk for my baby",...what good does it do to say "I'll pray for you", or "stop smoking and you'd have money"..point is still, they need milk, no matter the reason, and I have $3 in my pocket...buy the dang milk. That's my idea of what my job as a Christian is.... fix the prob if I'm able, not slam them, or brag about who I helped.
In Mr. Williams case, it no longer matters how he hit bottom, except as an example of recovery, and God's grace.
Just my opinion.
Dale
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I do agree that many will 'jump on the bandwagon' being near the holidays, but I misunderstood I guess exactly what you meant. To me, it looked like you were saying God had nothing to do with it, and putting God in the story was wrong.
And as for giving....you asked what I do... well, I believe in "giving alms quietly", suffice it to say its on very bottum rung, "grassroots" level, if you will. My belief is simple... if someone says "I need milk for my baby",...what good does it do to say "I'll pray for you", or "stop smoking and you'd have money"..point is still, they need milk, no matter the reason, and I have $3 in my pocket...buy the dang milk. That's my idea of what my job as a Christian is.... fix the prob if I'm able, not slam them, or brag about who I helped.
In Mr. Williams case, it no longer matters how he hit bottom, except as an example of recovery, and God's grace.
Just my opinion.
Dale
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I know what you mean ftp. I truly believe God worked to give this guy a second chance. Whether he screws it up, well I hope not.
My thing is, I am hoping all good.... and so many others are hoping for him to fall so they can say "told ya so"
Dale
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dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
I think some are missing the point of my "interjecting" God here. I'm not "adopting" this man as proof of the power of God. Nor am I waiting to see if this story has a happy ending to call it "God's work". I'm saying that the very opportunities that have been given this man, are a gift from God and not all people can recognize that.
As far as my giving.....that's between my God and myself. Many of us here recognize that Christianity isn't a once a year thing and we don't need an extended sermon from a fellow member to remind us.
Again, it was the RECOGNITION that the OPPORTUNITY came from God......period.
As far as my giving.....that's between my God and myself. Many of us here recognize that Christianity isn't a once a year thing and we don't need an extended sermon from a fellow member to remind us.
Again, it was the RECOGNITION that the OPPORTUNITY came from God......period.