Welfare reform

JohnWC

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No make welfare, food stamps,section 8 housing ,to equal less than working a mimuim wage job then they will find jobs if a company needs a bail out put a bean counter in there till the money is repaid make it a true last hope
 

LDB

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Some people are so easy to work. Sort of takes some of the fun out of it.
 

cheri1122

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And while we have trash like this woman cranking out welfare babies we have veterans who deserve thanks and help and respect barely getting by. There should be a rule that welfare never increases with additional babies though.

http://blog.theveteranssite.com/hun...mpaign=hungry-vet-calls-911&utm_term=20150613

Advocating denial of benefits that would feed & clothe babies and children is proof of the lack of genuine concern for babies & children claimed by anti choice people. They don't giveadam about these babies, period.
And anyone who believes that women [in any real numbers] have more babies to get more welfare money is not just deluded, but flat out nuts.
If we'd like to stop unwanted babies from being born, [and we should!] "abstinence only" sex ed and slashing welfare benefits is exactly the wrong way to get it done.
 
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cheri1122

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Just gotta love what some consider "proof": 100% anecdotal, all the way.
But then, "There is nothing you can't prove, if your outlook is only sufficiently limited." [Lord Peter Wimsey]
 

Turtle

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And anyone who believes that women [in any real numbers] have more babies to get more welfare money is not just deluded, but flat out nuts.
Well, Welfare women are known for doing this. Not every Welfare mom, but enough so that it is a stereotype based on truth.
 
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JohnWC

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Lol just like my girlfriends daughter 1st one out of high school daddy don't work don't support the baby where does she go ? Now she's on her second he still don't work and yes she's white .who's paying for theses childern? You and I but they have more rights than us lol.
 

LDB

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Yeah, since it's not every single woman who has babies for welfare money, and nobody said it was I don't believe, let's just put on blinders and deny that any of them do and deny that it happens.
 

Unclebob

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The OP posts an opinion article from some whack job and holds it up as being some fount of wisdom.

Based on the numbers in the wackjobs article it sure doesn't look like there would be much incentive for additional babies.

Does anybody know the ACTUAL amount the welfare recipients get for each additional baby they have.

It sure doesn't look like a very good money making strategy.
 

JohnWC

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When you add in free housing Foo stamps etc aid and you don't want much out of life yes it does
 

Unclebob

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The propaganda that welfare mothers are popping out babies to get additional welfare money just doesn't seem to hold water.

But no need to let pesky facts get in the way of a good story.
 

Turtle

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The propaganda that welfare mothers are popping out babies to get additional welfare money just doesn't seem to hold water.

But no need to let pesky facts get in the way of a good story.
What facts? "just doesn't seem to" is not a fact.

I can't imagine there have been very many, but I'm sure there are some, who went, "Hey, if I have another kid I'll get more welfare!" But by the same token, few went, "I can't afford another baby!" because they knew they could.

Mothers having additional children and automatically getting their welfare increased isn't as bad as it used to be, but it's still pretty bad. It started in 1996 with the Republicans' Contract With American which, among many things, sought to deny additional welfare benefits to someone if they were already receiving benefits 10 months prior to an additional birth. Some states passed what is known as the "Family Cap" that eliminated the additional money. 23 states have Family Caps, 27 do not.

However, just as the new law that capped benefits went into effect, additional welfare programs (an additional food stamps program, increased housing assistance, medical etc.) were created that rendered the Family Cap moot. All states with Family Caps could ignore the caps, and most do. But basically, when welfare payments are made, and capped, the actual "welfare" payments come out of one zippered compartment in the purse, and the additional payments come from different zippered compartments, but those aren't welfare payments, they're called something else, so people can claim welfare didn't rise with additional children, even though the assistance did.

What happens is, in addition to the $325 a month you get per child, you get additional food stamps, an increase in housing assistance, and other benefits, which can total out to more than $700 per child per month (but averages out to about $500), on top of what you are already receiving. With much of it being in cash or cash equivalents.
 
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davekc

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That is it right there. They do vary from state to state, but much of the income is from a combination of numerous programs. That is going from welfare, snap program, free food at school, subsidized clothing, subsidized cell phones, tv cable, and internet, subsidized housing, free or subsidized utilities, free healthcare, public transportation discounts, and you could add more. Yep, there are a good many, not all, that have made it a generational way of life. That is how we spend 200 plus billion per year just for welfare. Add in all the other stuff and it is huge numbers and continues to climb. Some say all together it is at the one trillion mark. Here is a link to list some of these programs.
http://www.budget.senate.gov/republ...?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5
 
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davekc

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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=645993

Interesting info here.
The list of programs in DaveKC's post is a lot like the Help Wanted ads in the newspapers: try applying for any of them, see what you get. :rolleyes:
When you get into the details of many of these programs, that have some pretty significant budgets and payouts. So make no mistake, someone is getting the money. Of course in some, it has been shown it was dead people, but you know. :eek:
 

Turtle

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If you detail the federal budget, see where the money goes, then look at the actual payouts under the programs and see where the money actually went, you'll see that this isn't just the wishful fantasies of the Help Wanteds
 
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