Cal, I spent quite a lot of time on the 16th thinking about those young people. I thought about how they were robbed of their future because I wasn't there. I thought about how very different the outcome would have been if I or any number of my friends had been there. The outcome would have been far different with far fewer casualties. Any one of them, or I, would have gotten to the individual and stopped him.
What would the outcome have been if you or any of your friends had been there? In all probability I would no longer get to point out your error in this debate. :+ Seriously though, there is the tiniest of chances, microscopic at best, that you or one of your friends would have talked him into surrender. There is a far greater chance the casualty count would be one higher and you would be gone.
Isn't it interesting these things always happen at schools and not police stations? Isn't it interesting these things never happened before the 60's? Isn't it interesting that in the first half of the century kids took their guns to school with them and stashed them in the principal's office to use on the way home after school? Isn't it interesting those were the days of the pledge and a prayer before school officially began.
No Cal, guns are no different now than they were a century ago. They cause no crimes now just as they've never caused a crime. You can not say guns are the cause of any crime unless you also say alcohol is the cause of crimes and cars are the cause of crimes and countless other objects are the cause of crime. Either only people are to blame OR people are not to blame for anything and only objects are to blame. It isn't one way for everything but guns and the other way for guns just because the misinformed wish it to be so.
I wasn't brought up "brainwashed". I was brought up in a household that had a solid grasp of reality. The framers fully intended every citizen the right to be armed if they so choose.
We the People of the United States
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures....
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
As you go through this fine document of ours, you find it perfectly and absolutely clear that the people are each and every one of us as individual citizens. Again Cal, you can not claim any Constitutional right applies to a single individual citizen unless you acknowledge they all do. They would not and did not use the exact same phraseology to mean one thing in most instances and something different in one other instance.
Objects are not criminals. Objects do not cause crime. Objects are neither good nor bad. Objects do not commit crimes.
I challenge you to tell me how a police officer is any better than I am or has any greater right to the ability to protect himself and others than I do? Please keep in mind the number of corrupt and disgraced police, especially in major cities, when explaining this to me. Better yet, please explain to me how those young people should only be saved by a police officer if there are others available and capable of saving them.
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