AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Do you take public money that's not a paycheck?
Was His Death A Wake-Up Call?
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Do you take public money that's not a paycheck?
Whoa..Al..that is harsh....These are government approved programs for those who qualify.....just like Fema assistance...
If your house got destroyed or damaged as in Gregs case where the insurance company forces you to apply for public money...which is just nuts in itself...
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
I thought flood Insurance was only obtainable through FEMA, and you pay a monthly premium just like any other Insurance.
Surely then, this is not like loopholes that ppl look for to get monies that they have never paid taxes or whatever into.
What kind of health insurance did you find for $700 a year?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well see here is the thing, they are not in any way the same. I am required to have flood insurance, whether I elect to get it from Statefarm, Atena or who ever or Fema. I choose Fema because of the problems I had with my insurance agent when I purchased the house.
In my case, I have no problems using the insurance but I do not qualify for any low interest loans or grants because of the type of flood that I had. It isn't automatic nor is it easy. So at this point, Fema paid out what they agreed to pay out, I still pay the for the insurance and it is still a paid risked pool.
There isn't much if any public money used in the program unless it is added in there to cover people who are not covered by the federal flood insurance program or a private program, so my impact on public money fund is nil compared to those who use the system under the guise of having no income or no money.
That should read ...
OK OVM there is a difference, I pay taxes, but I also pay for flood insurance to the tune of $700 a year to boot and have health insurance.
Sorry didn't catch this when it was posted.
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
OVM does, do you consider him a thief?
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
Greg,
Do you take every deduction on your taxes? Maybe you should stop taking those deductions because it's the right thing to do iyo. OVM is merely maximizinghis deductions the exact same way you are. You are coming across as bitter because he was better at minimizing his tax bill. You would do the EXACT same thing if you could.
Why aren't you chastising Jenny for utilizing the resources available?
The reality is that you & Jenny obviously made significantly more than OVM or suck @ doing your taxes compared to OVM.
The reality is the system says he was entitled, if Obama came out with 50% subsidized health insurancefor everyone in the trucking industry, would you take it?
I think so, if not then lol.
There is a school in Richmond MI also they will even give you a payment plan if you dont have the money.
That might have been an option for him, if he didn't live in Cinncinnati.
These schools are great just not alot of people relize they are there
That might explain why he didn't go to a dental school, but then, maybe there isn't one near his home, or there is, but it's booked for weeks ahead - the article doesn't say what he might have done or tried to do that didn't help any, does it?
,Also some people dont like the thought of a student doing the work.Myself I will use one anytime I can.
The sad thing about this story is this guys family has got money.This guy may have been out of work and no insurance how ever he had people in his family to turn to for help.Now the liberal left media is trying to push their agenda with the headlines they use just like the OP'S link here are some others.So as the liberals work to use this mans death to push their own agenda by making him out to be a poor down on his luck guy with no one to turn to for help.
You're assuming that the family members who have money would have given it to him - that's not a reasonable assumption, because 'family' doesn't mean squat to some folks - that's a fact. You're also assuming he could have put aside whatever pride he still had to beg from people who may well have been as good as strangers - who'd do that for a toothache? Who'd even think a toothache would kill them?
Poor Man Dies from Toothache | Drudge Retort
Without Insurance, 24-year-old Dies of Toothache - ABC News
Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds | Citizens for Legitimate Government
So who was this guys uncle bootsy collins award winning rock and roll hall of fame member.this guys other uncle was the late catfish collins.This guy had a way to get the 27 dollars he needed yet none of the liberal outlets say that.
Nope, they don't, only you're saying it - but you have no idea whether he could have or not, do you?
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
Well gee, i guess we need the same socialized medicine that thay have in the UK and then all will be great...
GPs ordered to ration cancer scans: Lives 'being put at risk' by bureaucrats' new cost-saving directive
By Sophie Borland
Last updated at 12:26 PM on 8th September
told to ration cancer scans in bureaucratic directive | Mail Online[/url
First of all, I'm not advocating for socialism but I don't really see a problem with the quote.
All of those people who are getting their cancer late likely wouldn't have
had health insurance and would
beworse off in our system.
Their fears that you bolded & capitalized are true as per the example in the OP. When you leave it entirely up to people to careforthemselves, there will be some whocan't even do basic toothe care which can end up in death.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
It doesn't matter if I take one or a million deductions, the point is I pay taxes. It I didn't pay taxes, I would not be concern on how they are spent.
Well I take what I can legally take and been audited in the past so I also know that deductions can be disallowed and they can go back a bit more than the last return.
BUT I can't do the same thing he or others do, and he isn't minimizing anything - he isn't paying a dime.
Because I know about both subjects and if she didn't take care of her situation, it would have shortened her life. On the other hand, a stent with time to arrange financing shows me that he had time to deal with a long term plan, like saving money or arranging for financing that was not public. Two completely different situations and two completely different outcomes.
Nope neither, I don't know what Jenny makes but I do know that until you have the exact same business situation as I have, you can't judge me or others who actually pay taxes.
Actually he wasn't entitled, he was just the the guy who won the lottery and had continued his food stamps, the latter was making a point that the system needs to be change. NO one is entitled to anything which they have to apply for, if they are entitled, then they would just get it.
Hell no I wouldn't take it.
You seem to not understand that some of us didn't get anything free when we needed it and a few see the struggle that goes on for those who actually need it. In my case, I did the right thing, I didn't cry or p*ss about how unfair it was while I was sitting in the ER but found a way to deal with the financial end of it without the means of insurance. I also see people who are turned away when they apply for services because there is no money. I think many miss the point that there is a finite amount of money and think just because it is there, it is good enough for anyone to us.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
I don't know what OVM takes, so I'm not ready to make a blanket statement, but social security, medicaid, welfare, foods stamps, WIC, AFDC, etc. are all theft. If you have trouble making ends meet, go to people who choose to help you knowingly and willingly. Anything else is theft.
You kind of missed the point of my previous reply. It was this: the severity of your need doesn't change the fact that no one else is responsible for your bills. Theft is theft, regardless. That you might die otherwise doesn't change that.
Believe me, as someone without health our dental coverage, I have an interest in the subject. But stealing is still stealing.
How to decide if it's stealing? Pick up a phone book, open to the white pages, open to a random page and put your finger on a name at random. Is he somehow paying for what the "benefit" in question? Does he have an ethical or moral obligation to? If those answers are no and yes, respectively, then you're a thief.
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
I'm sorry, I assumed you were reading the thread.
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
I don't know what OVM takes, so I'm not ready to make a blanket statement, but social security,
Excuse me: social security was funded by the working folks whose wages were hit for the deduction whether they liked it or not, under the premise that it would be returned to
them at retirement [a program enacted to prevent rampant poverty and starvation among the elderly]. How is that 'theft' in your eyes?
medicaid, welfare, foods stamps, WIC, AFDC, etc. are all theft. If you have trouble making ends meet, go to people who choose to help you knowingly and willingly. Anything else is theft.
What you call theft, the founding fathers called government of, by, and FOR the people, which included the people who needed help. That so many more need help now is a result of allowing business to buy politicians, write laws, and put increasing profits ahead of any and every other obligation for decades past.
People haven't changed their basic nature, it's the nature of business philosophy that has changed, and people who lack money can't hope to fight against that.
You kind of missed the point of my previous reply. It was this: the severity of your need doesn't change the fact that no one else is responsible for your bills. Theft is theft, regardless. That you might die otherwise doesn't change that.
What you advocate is the law of the jungle, not a civilized society! Civilized people have a moral responsibility, [which you'd exploit to fight poverty], but so do businesses: to contribute to the welfare of the society in which they prosper. Instead, most hold up the government for a 'better deal' [states and cities] and avoid paying the federal government through a gazillion clever ways - but they're not thieves, eh?
Believe me, as someone without health our dental coverage, I have an interest in the subject. But stealing is still stealing.
How to decide if it's stealing? Pick up a phone book, open to the white pages, open to a random page and put your finger on a name at random. Is he somehow paying for what the "benefit" in question?
No.
Does he have an ethical or moral obligation to?
Yes.
If those answers are no and yes, respectively, then you're a thief.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Cheri,
I agree with parts of what you are saying but...
everyone puts into Social Security as a supplemental income in retirement, but they are not entitled to that money.
our founding fathers expected people to help people, not government. Their position was simple - less government means more liberties. They never envisioned social security or government health care or welfare.
I agree with parts of what you are saying but...
everyone puts into Social Security as a supplemental income in retirement, but they are not entitled to that money.
our founding fathers expected people to help people, not government. Their position was simple - less government means more liberties. They never envisioned social security or government health care or welfare.
Jenny
Veteran Expediter
Thanks for saying that I suck at doing my taxes. Thats super awesome of you to judge me and my business skills like that.
I did say.I paid taxes. I did not say how much. You also do not know whether or not expediting is.our only form of income that we would have to.pay taxes on....
I did say.I paid taxes. I did not say how much. You also do not know whether or not expediting is.our only form of income that we would have to.pay taxes on....
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
I didn't say you sucked, I said it was one of two options, either sucking or making more money.
I would bet dollars to donuts that both you and Greg make more money than OVM, which would make my statement true.
But it wasn't meant as an attack towards you, it was done to demonstrate the other extreme. I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
I would think with his trailer park empire, making millions with his van and the pickle empire he and juju is building, I think his income far surpasses any of ours.
So its alright to offend me?
Do you suppose they envisioned an environment in which the managers earn 400x what the workers earn, and people who want to work [and have worked for 30 years] can't find a job that is better than minimum wage or part time?
BoA got a bailout from our taxes, and they're about to lay off 40,000 more people - what does the CEO earn for that kind of performance? 9.65 million dollars......There's something very wrong in the reward for bankrupting a company [or requiring a federal bailout to avoid it] is so outrageously rewarded, while people who have worked their whole lives lose it all to the same circumstances.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well the rude awakening will come when there is no money and no one to come up with a solution.
No matter what was behind the decision it is clear, no one person is entitled to the money they paid and this is most likely the biggest lie to the American people that could ever be told.
I think you mix this up a bit, the government is the people but the people are not the government. I think if you read of those times and what the meaning that was the intent of the founding fathers, which was different than they of Lincoln who proclaimed the government of for and by the people, you may find that they were more concerned about freedoms to create a person's own path in life, not to have them bailed out when there was a disaster or fallen on hard times.
Actually YES. See here is the problem with thinking that they would have thought it was a bad thing, they came from a society where there were classes of people, where wealth was both inherited and earned as were titles. I don't think for a second that they thought that there were or should be an equalization between business owner and worker.
The same goes for minimal wage, I think they would have seen where this is an abomination of an idea while also thinking this would be destructive to society and the economy at large.
I agree with you, there is something wrong and that points to the people who are sitting around not getting the idea that they control congress, not the people in congress. This means they have to step up and change things not to expect them to change overnight or at all. It is the people who let the government take over their responsibility and lead us to ruination.
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