WANTING TO EXPEDITE

beachbum20714

Expert Expediter
not an expediter yet.trying to do some homework first.i work 45 hrs a wk now,at work by 5am home by 3:04pm every day,at $17 an hr.is it possible to make more per week expediting?i drive a 28' box truck class 'b'.i'm talking to Fed Ex CC.i'm approved them already.will they keep me busy enought to make what i'm making now or more?will driving a van make any diff?taxes are about 30% here in MARYLAND.and is md or the surrounding states(eastern see board) good to run in?i can stay out 2 wks at a time.thanks,EARL
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
If you're making $17/hr @45 hrs/week, my advice is to stay where you're at. Yes, you'll make more than what you do on SOME weeks. But when you factor in food on the road, necessities, etc., you're better off being home every night and eating a home cooked meal.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
My arithmetic tells me that's $39780 per year ($17*45*52). Are there benefits on top of that? If so, what is the value of the benefits. Presuming you could make 40 cents per loaded mile into your pocket you would have to drive 99,450 loaded miles to make the same $39780. You'll need more miles to match any benefits added. As already mentioned, you'll potentially have greater expenses on the road than at home. Yes, you can do well expediting and beat these numbers by a nice margin however you can also have Murphy visiting you often and not do nearly as well.

If you said you were making $8 for 40 it would be a lot easier to say go for it. You'll have to give serious thought to your current situation and the certainty it provides vs. the uncertainty of expediting. Good luck in your decision.

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davekc

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Leo's post is right on target with really evaluating whether this will be a good fit when weighing your current situation.

At the same time other posts will reflect that anyone with no experience can make loads of money through the use of a 5000 word flowery essay.

Consider all of your options carefully as you research here on EO.




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DannyD

Veteran Expediter
Hi Earl,

This part is strictly a dollar for dollar comparison as to how I understood your question regarding expediting vs. your current job:

About a year or so ago my best friend was interested in this job. My friend's job at that time paid $12/hour plus insurance worth about $900/month.

Anyways, we ran some numbers & after doing that the conclusion that he came to was to stick w/ his job. I've run some numbers myself & on a per hour basis, I made more running pizzas than I do at this job.

Now, w/ expediting you can make more TOTAL money than at pizzas, but that's because you can work so many more hours. If you get out at 3:04 every day, ya may wanna consider getting a job doing something like running pizzas. If ya get w/ a decent company in an affluent area, you can make $60-80 or so in 3-4 hours.

So if you're simply looking to make more money, ya may want to try the above option.

Now, if you're looking for other things, like a change of pace for your work environment, expediting may be a way to go. I can't speak for everyone, but to make $30-50k/year is a reasonable expectation. You'll work long & hard to do it, but it can be done.

You'll have some challenging times for sure, but what job doesn't have a few bumps in the road along the way? You'll get to see part of the country that ya might otherwise never get a chance to see. Ya won't have a boss over your shoulder, unless ya get w/ a company who's Qualcom goes ballistic on ya. =)

There are definately good things about expediting. Obviously a lot of us on this site are expediters. It may be your true calling. I guess all I'm saying is don't get into it if what you want is a raise in pay from your current job.

Best of success to you,
Danny
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
>vans or str.tk witch is better to start out with?

As for vans vs. straight truck, my opinion would be to start out w/ a cargo van. And a used one at that. I'd hesitate buying a 35K van (or even more expensive straight truck) until you know for sure this is what you want to do. It's easier to get rid of a $10,000 cargo van & you'll take less of a loss if you find out this isn't truly what you want to do.

I just bought a new van & I know I want to expedite. I regret that decision. If I had to do it over again, I'd buy a 2003 or so used van. To me that gives the best balance of usefulness (you can use it for quite a few years b4 replacing it), payments (it's not so prohibitive), insurance (much lower), reliability (shouldn't have any major problems w/ it).

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

Again, best of success to you,
Danny
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You know if I was offered a $17/hour job right now that had nothing to do with IT; I would not be on the road. Honestly I turned down a $65/hour contracting job because it had to do with IT; I just don’t want to do that work at that level anymore.

As much as many say you will do fine and comparable. My opinion is stay right where you are at. It is far easier on you and your family than going through the headache of setting this all up and being gone for two weeks at a time.

Many say it is easy to make the same amount of money, sure the actual work of picking up and dropping off and driving (I am talking about vans guys, not trucks) is easy but the business part sometimes is not. If you are not prepared for the work behind the scenes, stay where you are.

Why? Well let’s look at it somewhat how Leo laid it out.

First I have to assume a couple things, one is that you are strictly hourly and second that after 40 hours you get time and half (based on Overtime laws).

Gross base pay – $17 X 2080 = $35,360

Gross OT pay – $17 X 1.5 X 5 X 50 = $6,375

Gross total as you described = $41,735

I don’t have my tax tables in front of me, but I estimate (not a tax accountant this is only an estimate) your take home would be around $34,000 after everything is taken out.

With expediting the law of thirds is a good start, a third to taxes, a third to the van and a third to you. To take home $34,000 you have to multiply it by 3 or make $102,000. Now with FedEx that is a different story because you get paid by the load so I will exclude them. Others pay you by the mile, so let’s use Panther who advertises at 77¢/mile.

$102,000 / .77 = 132468 miles you have to drive in one year to make the same money.

Now with that said, presently you don’t pay quarterly payroll or income taxes, you are covered with unemployment (many places make you pay but you still have it) and you have worker comp paid, and you pay 6.5% SS and 3% Medicaid taxes instead of 12%/3% respectfully. Yea I know that the 12% is actually part of you wage but many employers make it look like they paid. Oh you also may have company subsidized health insurance.

So with expediting, you are the boss. You are responsible for everything, bar none. You will probably pay quarterly taxes and do so at the top bracket so Uncle Sam gets his money first, you will pay 12%/3% SS taxes and you have the headache of accounting and more chances for an audit. More or less depending on your accountant, you will have to incorporate or minimally register with the state as a DBA company and pay for that. Unless you are a tax accountant, you will have to get an accountant to do the work, not a tax preparer. H& R block, forget about it. Don’t forget food, clothing, a hotel room every once in a while, and the list goes on.

If you were making around $12/hour, I would say consider it, if you made under $10/hour I would say get a van and go for it, but not at $17/hour. I wonder if some of the ‘experts’ have ever figured out at what level of wage does expediting replace your income with real world figure? Seeing many view their income as too personal to publish, we may never know.

I figured my ‘effective’ hourly rate being on the road, this is being on call 24/7 while parked waiting for a load, is around $3/hour during the good times but more like <$1/hour during the bad times. Now this does not sound like much, no one can put an hourly figure on a salaried job and this is what is really is. To get an idea how to look at things, you have to look at your gross monthly to really see where you are and how you are doing.

I don’t mean to discourage you; I am being honest about this.

I would read everything on this site, including the heated discussions that take place. Go out and actually talk to some expediters at truck stops then decide.

As Danny said, “There are definitely good things abou expediting.â€, I totally agree.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I'm going to play devil's advocate and throw a couple of things in to go with Greg's excellent post. Using Panther as a model is good however you need to remember fsc in computations. I'd guesstimate fsc for a van to be 10cpm overall so your formula should be 102,000/.87 for 117,000 miles.

I'd also say if you are paying 1/3 in taxes you are either THE top producer nationwide or you need a new accountant. You shouldn't be paying over 25% total in my opinion and experience. Using that model would mean you need $90,000 total to provide $34k owner, $34k truck and $22k taxes. $90,000/.87 is 103,000 paid miles.

I have a spreadsheet with numbers run based on a new van and it comes out to about $36k per year so on a good used van you should be around the $34k number discussed. That doesn't include health insurance or food or other personal expenses. I don't personally consider those "truck" expenses because the truck can run with or without them. To me those are personal expenses because they affect my person not my truck.

Again, as I said before, you need to carefully and seriously consider any change. You are in what sounds like a better position than many who get into this field. Be sure to weigh your options carefully and give SIGNIFICANT consideration and discussion to what this means to your homelife and family. Again, good luck to you.

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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Leo
thanks, hope this gives a good picture with both posts.

I didn't include the FSC becuase it is not a given, where the .77/mile is. If the fuel prices drop to the point that the FSC is gone, you need to do some refiguring. Also counting on something that is not mandated and varies load to load, it is diff

I also didnt include healthcare cost, for me it will be $500 a month for me and my wife. it sounds like a lot but it is BCBS traditional, you cold go cheaper but cheaper means well.. cheaper. I would figure someone with a family, kids - so on - would be around $650 a month or more depending on preexisting conditions, ages of the kids and habits for the parents.

1/3 taxes issue - you are right, sorry i should have said that this is not a finaly tax bill but what you have to put aside to make sure you pay the taxes. the issue for me is getting a good accountant to make sure you pay the least amount of taxes.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I agree that health insurance and costs will be significant. I didn't mention it either because as you say there are so many variables.

I think including the fsc is valid because as fuel prices drop and fsc drops correspondingly that means the $34k to the truck will also drop due to less fuel expense. Alternately, if fuel prices rise a doller a gallon the required loaded miles shouldn't change significantly because the fsc will take care of most if not all of the increase in the $34k to the truck.

I actually make more the higher fuel goes because the truck gets better mpg than the fsc basis is calculated on. It's not a whole lot but every little bit helps.

Anyway, I think you made an excellent post and hopefully what little I've contributed with it will give him plenty to think about.

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beachbum20714

Expert Expediter
thank you for all of your input.first,i'm looking to drive for a o/o first,not go out and buy a van,trk,until i see if it is worth it.i have health ins thru my wifes job,also have aflac.for those that would not give up $17 an hr to drive on the road,where you live must not pay anything per hr.here in the wash,dc metro area,$11-$22 an hr is common for drivers class b.alot of people i have talked to say you can make good money expediting,but some of you say that you would not give up a $17 an hr job to do expediting.all of the recutiters i have talked to say you can make alot of money.if expediting is so bad ,then why do you guys do it?i read alot in here (the forum)and a lot of it is (i'm not making any money,i sat for 2 days WAITING for a load,the company is screwing me,can't reach the o/os.there has to be something about the expediting that keeps you here,if its not the money than what?it can't be,(i love to sleep in a home made bunk 2 foot wide,or sitting around for days on end).taxes here in MARYLAND are 5% sales,30% income.i just want to know if is possible to make $700-$800 or more a week after fuel,tolls,workers comp insu if i'm driving for a o/o?if not i'll try to find something else around my way.my current job has alot of racism.i'm told by one of the other drivers(he is blk) i'm wht,that he does not like wht people ,and he wants to kill all wht people,why, anybodys guess,but my company hasn't done anything about this so far.i'm looking for another job ,but it comes down to money,and how far i have to travel to work.traffic in the wash,dc metro area is a night mare.i love to drive so i think i can get use to driving over the road.i need to make more money than i'm making now,and expediting i thought was the way to go.i' not putting anyone down for responding to my post,i'm just trying to explain myself to you.i love all of the feed back i get when i post a question.- or +.i'm not putting anyone down for being in the expedite bis,just trying to find out why some many of you complain about not making any money.sorry to be such a downer.thanks,
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Earl,
This may sound bad, but a lot of people like to complain just to complain. There is money to be made, it is not difficult. Read everything you can before you make a decision and then read it all again. If you can, do what I did, I bookmarked a bunch of pages and then printed the good ones off.

I have to be honest; I was surprised at the level of racism out on the road. I grew up in the most racist environment and most racist area in the country, Detroit but I was sort of shocked hearing some things in the past 6 months. My parents made sure I am fair and open to everyone and not act like an idiot, thanks Ma, Pa. I experienced racism as a White Male, being called all kinds of nice stuff when I had my business in Detroit. (Actually I had more problems with drunken white auto workers than anyone else) For you who think I am overly sensitive, I am not. My experience was topped by a person who called me a lot of things in 15 minutes; his honor, Mayor Young.

I was told by a friend who I am buying my next truck from that this is from being alone on the road too much. Yea I know that many will say this is not true, but I got to say tonight I was listening to a bunch of c**p while I was at the fuel desk, even the girl behind the desk was making comments, it really bothered me. I already called and complained and am going to follow up Monday to get an answer. It is great to have a phone that records.

Well Earl, Good luck what ever you do.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
You know what,it's not the color of the skin,it's the character of the
person within the skin. I have had excellent supervisors working for me that were black individuals who were great guys.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
>You know what,it's not the color of the skin,it's the
>character of the
>person within the skin. I have had excellent supervisors
>working for me that were black individuals who were great
>guys.

Yes Rich, you are so right. I wish others would think that.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
There's a saying in ham radio "It's not the class of license the amateur holds, it's the class of the amateur who holds the license.". That could be modified slightly and fit a lot of groups of people.

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x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Unless of course earning that 39 and change requires you to endure unusual and excessive punishment in your everyday tasks.
 

beachbum20714

Expert Expediter
thanks for all of your comments.just want to kmow from you guys if i can make $700-$900 a week after fuel,tolls,etc.......?i was told that JAN,FEB where slow months.
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
>thanks for all of your comments.just want to kmow from you
>guys if i can make $700-$900 a week after
>fuel,tolls,etc.......?i was told that JAN,FEB where slow
>months.


Hi Earl,

Driving for someone else, it's not very likely. Even driving for yourself, if ya brought in 50K you'd be doing pretty well. That's before fuel, insurance, van payments, food on the road, etc.

Yes, a lot of us on this site are expediters. Why do we do it? Each has different reasons. In my case I've pretty much always done driving jobs. Whether it be running pizzas, taxi, expediter, or what have ya.

I enjoy having no boss, wearing what I want (within reason), listening to the radio while I work & being outside, at least outside as much as being in a vehicle can be outside.

Your original question was asked in a way that made me think you were asking if expediting would be a raise over a $17/hour job. The short answer to that is "no."

If you're looking to get into this for other reasons, a rotten boss or what have ya, then it might be something to consider. It won't be a raise over your current job though.

Good luck to ya,
Danny
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
You have received excellent advice in this thread. Consider also the value of the retirement plan you have in your current job, if any. As a self-employed expediter, no one will put money away for your retirement if you don't. And, as a self-employed expediter it is often tempting to put off your retirement plan contributions until the next year, and the next after that. If you don't put retirement money away, you may find yourself out of years one day and kick yourself for leaving the job you are now in.
 
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