Well here is a poll of the OWS crowd from a reputable pollster. They were interviewed and asked what's the fuss. This is what he came up with. Douglas Schoen: Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd - WSJ.com
Voters say Washington is worse than Wall St
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Say it ain't so!!
From Muttly's post #21:
Chefdennis post #17:
I guess even a "Squirrel" fines a nut every once in a while ..huh...
From Muttly's post #21:
Chefdennis post #17:
I guess even a "Squirrel" fines a nut every once in a while ..huh...
No, not really. It's not agenda driven. Some people will want to hijack it to make it agenda driven, and still others want and need it to be agenda driven so they can understand which issue they can be for or against. They don't need a cohesive message with solutions, because there isn't a single message that can be solved. Like Hawk noted, they're realizing big business/banks and big government are bedfellows, they are on in the same. Any cohesive issue is a symptom of that singularity, and any single issues would solve the problem, even if there were a solution to the issue. What's going on is not a large protest of a collection of a bunch of little issues, what's going on is the beginnings of a societal change on a fundamental level. What's going on is far, far bigger than what's happening in a little park in New York.
People are fed up. They're fed up with how our country has treated its own citizens since 911. People are fed up with bailing out banks who's officers are making billions of dollars. People are fed up with Wall Street bozos who lose retirement funds while pocketing millions on bonus money. People are fed up with being nickeled, dimed and dollared to death. People are fed up with being forced to have two incomes in order to survive. People are fed up with having no hope for a better life for them or their children. People are scared, and they're mad as Ηell, and they're not gonna take it anymore.
Right now we have liberty, as defined by those in power. It's about liberty on the most fundamental level. It's about testing the will of those in power, about taking back that which those in power have slowly stolen from society.
People are fed up. They're fed up with how our country has treated its own citizens since 911. People are fed up with bailing out banks who's officers are making billions of dollars. People are fed up with Wall Street bozos who lose retirement funds while pocketing millions on bonus money. People are fed up with being nickeled, dimed and dollared to death. People are fed up with being forced to have two incomes in order to survive. People are fed up with having no hope for a better life for them or their children. People are scared, and they're mad as Ηell, and they're not gonna take it anymore.
Right now we have liberty, as defined by those in power. It's about liberty on the most fundamental level. It's about testing the will of those in power, about taking back that which those in power have slowly stolen from society.
I don't agree there, Turtle. Once these flaming leftists take over you will see a Soviet style state take over. It WILL be done by force and mass murder. Nothing new under the sun. These people are EVIL. They HATE everything that is good in this world.
Yeah, I know, I am just old and scared. Don't bet on it. Mark my world, it is going to get UGLY. I fully expect to see troops in the streets, not US troops either. I believe that the vast majority of our military will fight with against what is going to fall upon us.
This is NOT going to be a "war between the States", this is going to be a true Civil War.
Yeah, I know, I am just old and scared. Don't bet on it. Mark my world, it is going to get UGLY. I fully expect to see troops in the streets, not US troops either. I believe that the vast majority of our military will fight with against what is going to fall upon us.
This is NOT going to be a "war between the States", this is going to be a true Civil War.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I'm assuming you're talking about the protestors here, LOS. Honestly, I think these flaming leftists you talk about have been duped into thinking that way by the elitists they fight today. These people don't have it in them to kill anyone, yet. But in the end, I believe truth, justice, and the American way, will overpower "free healthcare for all", and "I want my student loan debt abolished."
Most of the "elitists" today, in this country, ARE leftists. Obama is, Kennedy was, Ried is, McCain, is, and so are most of the members of Congress.
Dig deep enough and you will find your, and mine, tax dollars helping to fund this. This government has been trying to impose their control on the People since Lincoln. Thanks to the indoctrination system called "public schools" they are winning.
Those camping (destroying private property) in that park are just the pawns. The "elite" WANT it to get as violent as it can. THEN they will take the next step.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
It's apparent that you don't have a clue what's going on here. Yes, the elitists hope it gets violent, so they can brand them as "domestic terrorists". But there are many tea partiers in that group, and groups around the country.
If they were really destroying private property, don't you think the owners would have them evicted by now? I suggest you turn off Fox... they are part of the problem.
I don't watch Fox. Bet you a coffee that what I am saying will play out. Up for that? (IF there is any place left to buy coffee) This is planned. The pawns are lined up. We now have the fuel, the oxygen, we only are waiting on the spark. That is how fire starts. That spark is just waiting in the wings for the scripted moment.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I have no doubt there are those who have this crap accounted for. No doubt in my mind the government has a 3000 page manual on how to deal with insurrection. I have no doubt they have their little military table-top models showing who is where, doing what; and which stormtroopers they have to respond. In fact, it was only a matter of time that this crap would happen.
I would say the minutemen were pawns as well. So were the grunts who stormed Normandy. But I honestly don't think most of these protesters are there for the amusement of their elitist puppetmasters. Some of them, yes, are plants. The government will plant instigators. The banks and corps will send strong-arms. The MSM will shroud this in a Vietnam-like protesting masquerade. The truth will be deemed illegal - I'll bet you a coffee on that. To find that truth, you'll have to do your own homework... and soul searching.
The truth will be seen when the riots start and the camps open. That day is coming. I don't believe that MOST of the Regular Army will fight for Obama in this. Even less of the guard and reserves. I fully expect to see some sort of "outsides" force used. Be it a "private army", a group of "brown shirts" etc.
I will fight. I would rather die a free man than live as a slave under the horrors this will bring.
Your on for that coffee. (bring your own ammo, I will supply the sugar and cream!
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Layout you also predicted some mystery candidate too...
OPPS, sorry, he said he would not run. That he did NOT wish to put his family through the mess of a campaign. I cannot say I blame him. I meant to post this awhile back.
We were trying to draft, convince, even BEG him to run. It was Robert Gates. At one time is seemed that he was going to jump in.
He thanked those who were interested in him in that office but stated that he could NOT put his family through that.
The Defense Secretary?
The FORMER defense secretary. We started trying to draft him even before he announced his retirement.
Who is "we"?
There is/was a movement to draft him. Link to website below. It matters not, he is NOT running.
Help Draft Robert Gates to Run for President in 2012
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Words of a coward... putting himself above the possibility that he might create REAL change. Or, he knew he couldn't... or wouldn't.
Coward? Protecting his family from what has become a media lynch mob? NOT himself, his FAMILY.
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The media is this country is one of the PRIMARY reasons that quality people no longer run for office. They no longer focus on issues. They focus on destroying those who don't agree with their agenda. They have NO problems going after candidates families either.
But, you can believe what ever you like. That was ONE of the reasons that I did not run when asked to do so. The OTHER main reason is that I would NOT agree to "promote" the "standard" ReBumLiCan line, and made that QUITE clear.