Vice or Virtue

[blizzard2014]

Well, if it is true that the customer was on the phone with panther when they called you Moot, and you turned the load down after they confirmed with you that you woult take it, it could have some negative ramifications for Panther. So, if that load does not get covered because of a 1 CPM mile difference in FSC, that customer will call someone else next time. I'm not saying what you did was in any way wrong, because Panther can generally always get a load covered, it's just too nit picky form my perspective.

I am very different in the regards that i'll run anything if it puts money in my pocket. I mean we're not talking about 60 CPM freight here. But you are dealing with this day in and day out and I can see where this has gotten to you. Any how you did the right thing, you decided to go home to relax and cool off.

I was doing quite well with Panther when I was there and the only thing that happened to me is they made me drive 3 hours in and 3 hours out of NYC to Long Island to pick up a load that was an 800 miler. Then they swapped it from me 400 miles into it after I did all of the city driving to get it. They took it from me in a bad area (the middle of no where) and gave it to a driver who just got done running an 800 mile run (because he was one of their favorites). He even had to take an hour nap inside his van on the drivers seat before he started rolling on the load. The only reason why I didn't call in and complain about this is because I knew him and we were friends, and I didn't want to cause him any troubles.

I was ****ed and was going to bite my tongue until another load cancelled on me and then I went ballistic and drove back to Michigan in a rage and removed the decals at QuickPickup's house (he is a long time friend of mine and all around good guy) and went to work somewhere else. It only took three months and 2 chain jerks and I was gone! I ended the game during the first quarter. lol!

 

[mcavoy33]

It makes me wonder how dispatchers are paid at Panther. To me, it almost sounds like they get to keep a percentage of what they can claw back from drivers.

I know if that was the case, I'd be shortchanging pennies all the time. I'm curious though, the different types of compensation types there are in the industry for dispatchers.

 

[paullud]

It makes me wonder how dispatchers are paid at Panther. To me, it almost sounds like they get to keep a percentage of what they can claw back from drivers.

I know if that was the case, I'd be shortchanging pennies all the time. I'm curious though, the different types of compensation types there are in the industry for dispatchers.

There are some that are just salaried and some like Bolt pay the dispatchers a bonus to low ball drivers, not sure about Panther. I think there are few that are paid an hourly wage.

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[LDB]

Panther and fsc, an ongoing cancer. Periodically Panther pays a run that was offered and accepted with .xx fsc and on payday they pay you 57% or 49% or whatever lowball % of the .xx they promised. When you call them they say "sorry, but the customer didn't pay as much as they were supposed to." Well sorry Panther but that money should be coming out of your pocket since each run is a contract, an offer and an acceptance creating a contract. Panther breaks their contract every time they do that. Then go back on the customer either billing them more on future runs or dunning them until they pay the contracted amount. Don't be THIEVES and STEAL the money from your drivers.

 

[blizzard2014]

It makes me wonder how dispatchers are paid at Panther. To me, it almost sounds like they get to keep a percentage of what they can claw back from drivers.

I know if that was the case, I'd be shortchanging pennies all the time. I'm curious though, the different types of compensation types there are in the industry for dispatchers.

Mac, I read a business artile on Panthers earnings. They pull 60 million miles a year and gross over 250 million off of those miles. How much money per mile do they have to get to gross 250 million off of 60 million miles?

 

[LDB]

Basic arithmetic. 250/60. Would be somewhere around $4.16 doing it in my head.

 

[BillChaffey]

"Some like Bolt pay dispatchers a bonus to low ball drivers"
Would you mind posting your information as to how you know this to be true.

 

[cheri1122]

Panther and fsc, an ongoing cancer. Periodically Panther pays a run that was offered and accepted with .xx fsc and on payday they pay you 57% or 49% or whatever lowball % of the .xx they promised. When you call them they say "sorry, but the customer didn't pay as much as they were supposed to." Well sorry Panther but that money should be coming out of your pocket since each run is a contract, an offer and an acceptance creating a contract. Panther breaks their contract every time they do that. Then go back on the customer either billing them more on future runs or dunning them until they pay the contracted amount. Don't be THIEVES and STEAL the money from your drivers.

On the rare occasions the paid miles are short enough of the actual miles that I'd question dispatch [not @ Load 1], that's the answer I always got "It's what the customer paid." Ditto for lengthy toll roads and detention times - customer won't pay, too bad, you lose.
Um, if the customer paid 10% of their bill, would that be ok too?
But remember, LDB, nobody forced us to sign with them, so we [apparently] have no right to complain.

 

[Rocketman]

Mac, I read a business artile on Panthers earnings. They pull 60 million miles a year and gross over 250 million off of those miles. How much money per mile do they have to get to gross 250 million off of 60 million miles?

Do you have a link to that article? I could believe that if you reversed the numbers, but it's hard to believe that they are profiting $4/mile.

 

[paullud]

"Some like Bolt pay dispatchers a bonus to low ball drivers"
Would you mind posting your information as to how you know this to be true.

I am not the only one that is aware of it, there are people on here that can tell you the same as well as other drivers. Bolt is not the only company that does this, why do you think they negotiate offers. I was advised of this before leasing on but the numbers still worked for me.

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[iceroadtrucker]

Need some Mashed Potatoes and gravy and meat to go with them Slices of Bread.

 

[blizzard2014]

Do you have a link to that article? I could believe that if you reversed the numbers, but it's hard to believe that they are profiting $4/mile.

That's gross profit from all of the miles. You gotta figure some of that government work in tractors and straight trucks pay 6 bucks a mile, plus assessorial pay, and a lot of cargo van loads get billed 2 bucks a mile or more. It is possible! I'll look for the link, my math or memory might be off.

 

[blizzard2014]

I am not the only one that is aware of it, there are people on here that can tell you the same as well as other drivers. Bolt is not the only company that does this, why do you think they negotiate offers. I was advised of this before leasing on but the numbers still worked for me.

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Any smart carrier would always pay dispatchers bonses for booking loads. If you paid dispatchers a set hourly wage what incentive would they have to work harder? They wouldn't care about the number of loads they can book, they would just watch the clock all day!

 

[Moot]

Panther and fsc, an ongoing cancer

I've learned to live with the "estimated" f.s.c. I don't understand the logic, if there is any, behind how this gets calculated. It rarely deviates more than .01/mile and I have found I come out slightly ahead when all is said and done. Turtle tracked his f.s.c. for a year and found out he also ended up with slightly more money.

I have only had one load, a few years ago, where the f.s.c. fell well short of what was offered. It was 700 some miles, delivering in the Detroit area the Monday after the New Year weekend. I figured I be number 25 on the Detroit board after delivering. I took the load because the f.s.c. was enough to allow me to deadhead to Chicago after delivery. Turned out I was number 38 on the board and I went directly to Chicago. Pay day comes and I'm short .22/mile on the f.s.c. I explained that was the only reason I took the load. I had to hound them for a week, but I did get paid the difference.

What bothered me about this latest load I turned down was that within 5 minutes after making a verbal agreement on f.s.c. it changes.

I ended up snagging a load that delivers Tuesday morning, 150 miles north of my house. I'm home and collecting 3 days layover pay. I can live with that!

 

[Moot]

Need some Mashed Potatoes and gravy and meat to go with them Slices of Bread.

Have a couple of Twin Bings for dessert and go for a long run.

 

[jaminjim]

Turtle is no longer at PII?

 

[Fr8 Shaker]

I choose vice, usually more fun.

They say everyone has a vice, I just choose them all.

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Have a couple of Twin Bings for dessert and go for a long run.

Ya wish I could have a couple of Twin bings but they dont sell them in Phaldelphia or on the EAST Coast for that matter. On another issue Contract Drivers like me dont have the luxery to have a Union. There are those that flaunt & brag how much they run, but them Reefers are Junk anyway. McBrags I call them.
Tom and Jene Sardenson My Great Uncles worked on Thermo Kings and Carriers. For Years before Expedite made its day view in the Trucking Industry. Both will tell ya Thero kings are So So. hard to keep a Sub Zero Temp such as -20F. The carriers with the big Condensor and Heat Exchangers do a better Job for the Sub Zero Loads. Mind you now both of them not only worked on them unites and were certified to do so but also were Mechanics on Trucks as well and Drove them ta boot.
During the week they Worked on them and on the weekends They drove tractor trailers pulled the Sub Zero cold loads outa Sioux City and Omaha Friday Nights to Denver Co and were Back in Sioux City ready for work at the shop on Monday Mornings. Yes that was before all the hub ta HOS and what not. Them boys Ran and Ran hard. When Carrier made its day view lets just say. I was informed hands down a Carrier is the Equipment to run. Like them I know how to run Carriers and Thermo kings. Personaly I like Choose the carrier. For what its worth A Twin Bing or Better Yet a Cherrie Twin Bing Sounds realy Good So Ill go run and You go get me one and FedEX me one Im at the TA NJ. Philley center Exit 18 off the 295 just send it to the fuel desk.
Im gona go work out an Hopefully if you overnite it Ill have it by Sat sometime. Dont forget now HG.

 

[cheri1122]

Turtle is no longer at PII?

New logo on his sigline

 

[Moot]

Turtle is no longer at PII?

Thanks for checking in Jim. Turtle moved on to Load One and PII hasn't been PII for a very long time. It is currently Panther Expedited Services. Say hi to Karin for me. I'm thinking of getting her some Twin Bings for her birthday next year. Does she like chocolate covered pig fetuses?