Using the F word... fair warning

[Thepeacedog]

Imagine no religion-John Lennon

What about Hare' Krishna?

 

[layoutshooter]

That don't count. John Lennon was a far left or just plain far out wacko. Not a prime candidate to use as a person to teach your son's to be like. Layoutshooter

 

[DougTravels]

Those exterminations were NOT all in an attempt to eleminate religion. They were an attempt to eleminate anyone that did not agree with any or all of thier government. They JUST killed and it was NOT in the name of ANY religion. Study the history of Soviet Russia, or the extreme left movements world wide and you will see that mass murder in the name of NO religion was a primary means of controlling the people. That is, if you can find a "non-revised" version these days. One of the very FIRST things the left does, to insure that the people could not fight back, was to either heavily control or out law all private firearms ownership. THEN they would outlaw religion, private land ownership etc etc etc. Sounds like what is going on here to me. Layoutshooter

I believe religion was invented as a means of controlling the masses.

 

[DougTravels]

That don't count. John Lennon was a far left or just plain far out wacko. Not a prime candidate to use as a person to teach your son's to be like. Layoutshooter

Your opinion, but it does not change the fact that the world would be better off without any religion.

 

[layoutshooter]

And just WHAT do you call what Soviet Russia did? Or China? Or Nazi Germany? Or what Obama is attempting here. You must have had a really bad childhood religious experience. I feel sorry for you. The real world has no meaning your only believe very far left retoric. You repeat the same swill, almost word for word, that Stalin did. It almost seems that I have NEVER heard an orignal thought from you or one based on any real experinence, just retoric.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Those exterminations were NOT all in an attempt to eleminate religion.

Yes they were. Religious devotion is an intangible. It stood in their way. It WAS about religion.

Study the history of Soviet Russia, or the extreme left movements world wide and you will see that mass murder in the name of NO religion was a primary means of controlling the people.

That's exactly the point. If it's about destroying religion, then it's about religion. By the way I have studied the history of the Soviet Union...

 

[layoutshooter]

I give up. They ONLY killed those who had religious beliefs. You are right. None of those I interogated or worked with over the years had a clue what they were talking about. HEY, The Soviet exterminate 25 religious zelots and left every one else alone. Layoutshooter

 

[layoutshooter]

OH, and I guess that all of the purges in the military were based on those who fought for "god's army". Layoutshooter

 

[DougTravels]

Lets just end it, I agree!
You believe in the god of you choice
and I will continue to believe in the Great Gazoo!




Either one is just about as plausible

 

[DougTravels]

OH, and I guess that all of the purges in the military were based on those who fought for "god's army". Layoutshooter

Even if you are right and there is a god, what are the odds that you chose the right one?

 

[layoutshooter]

Let's just drop it Doug. YOu hate everything that I feel is right, just the way it is. You seem to have only one idea, religion is the cause and no matter what or how I would try to discuss this or base it on stuff I dealt with on a daily basis I would be wrong. Even if I brought in those who were right there when it happened, they would be wrong. You go right ahead and believe what you want, just two things, you must allow the rest of the nation our freedom of choice. We have Freedom of Religion in this country. 2. I won't call you stupid for not beliving (never have) and you stop ridiculing those of us who have faith, values and love our freedom. I have never stopped you from doing anything, you are trying to stop me from doing much. That is the only thing you cant do, is take away my freeedom. Layoutshooter

 

[MrGautama]

a proposed $50 per tire excise tax
a proposed 24.9 cent per gallon increase on diesel
a proposed $12,000 "sin" tax on new heavy trucks
a proposed doubling of the heavy vehical tax
back pedeling on the Mexican trucks
Cap and trade taxes
Massive tax increases to insure "free medicine"

Would you mind giving us your sources for each one of this atrocities towards the working man?.

 

[MrGautama]

Since I am not Wealthy and not Religious

I am not a Republican

Amen!!

 

[LDB]

Since I am not Wealthy and not Religious

I am not a Republican

You have no aspirations to be wealthy? I am not wealthy but I do aspire to be, therefore I am definitely too intelligent to be a democrat.

 

[MrGautama]

It is fine to be nonreligious. But to make a public mockery of God and people of faith is just plain foolhardy. There are some really deep seated issues at work here. I hope you find peace.

Saying that one doesn't have imaginary friends is a valid statement regarding religion. In a society that prides itself in having freedom of speech making public mockery of god is perfectly acceptable (and fun).

 

[MrGautama]

Here's one to ponder. When you give your money to the rich, in return you get things like clothes and cars and trucks and computers and housing and food. When you give your money to the poor, in return you get things like, well, nothing.

What a twisted reality, the first part of course just a line by line repetition of Bill and Rush, but the last part is certainly yours (which is remarkable). When you give money to the rich you get what?, cars, clothes, trucks, etc?. You don't get crap!, you have to buy, at an outrageous price, those things with the poverty wages they throw at you for manufacturing them in the first place. Please Turtle, we were having a reasonable discussion in another thread but I leave you alone and you loose your bearings again!

When you invest in the disadvantaged you get nothing?, how about a healthier society; both physical and mentally, a reduction of crime, teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, a reduced school dropout rate, etc. That seems a lot more than nothing to me.

 

[MrGautama]

You have no aspirations to be wealthy? I am not wealthy but I do aspire to be, therefore I am definitely too intelligent to be a democrat.

This is the primary reason many members of the working class vote republican, they believe that one day they will be like their masters, that they actually belong up there and not with the rest of the bottom feeders. So why ruin it for themselves before they get to their genuine place in society. That seems to be the the reason to boycott the progress of the class to which they truly belong. It is a kind of treason disguised as "aspirations". If you want to be wealthy good, but don't ruin it for the rest by standing against the advancement of society.
It reminds me, keeping the proportions of course, of the French collaborators during the occupation or the Jews that received the new arrivals at Auschwitz and proceeded to guide them to "take a shower". I imagine there is a percentage like that in all populations.

I hope you are playing Megabucks and Powerball !

 

[LDB]

I hope you are playing Megabucks and Powerball !

Maybe five bucks worth per year, not because I believe I'll win but just for the novelty of it. It's just another tax disguised in a way that it fools the less intelligent into not knowing they are paying taxes.

 

[DougTravels]

Let's just drop it Doug. YOu hate everything that I feel is right, just the way it is. You seem to have only one idea, religion is the cause and no matter what or how I would try to discuss this or base it on stuff I dealt with on a daily basis I would be wrong. Even if I brought in those who were right there when it happened, they would be wrong. You go right ahead and believe what you want, just two things, you must allow the rest of the nation our freedom of choice. We have Freedom of Religion in this country. 2. I won't call you stupid for not beliving (never have) and you stop ridiculing those of us who have faith, values and love our freedom. I have never stopped you from doing anything, you are trying to stop me from doing much. That is the only thing you cant do, is take away my freeedom. Layoutshooter

You want the last word and tell me to drop it again. Then state untruths, I do not have faith in an invisible man in the sky that is true.
I do have values, and I do what is right and good simply for the good of others and my family, I do not do what is right for some reward in an afterlife.

I also love our freedom, I did not like it when the Bush administration stepped on many of our privacy freedoms(Wiretapping without warrant), Right to an attorney and a speedy trial(Gitmo),free speech zones (lol) and I will be one of the first to jump on Obama if he steps on any of our freedoms.

I have never tried to stop you from doing anything, I did say that the world would be better off with no religion, and I am right. I have never proposed any banning of religious beliefs, I believe anyone can believe anything they want.

I do wonder though, if you are such a religious man how do you defend not following the Thou shall not kill commandment-several of your posts say blow all them up or we need to attack these people(Coast of Somalia). Or you would have killed the people who broke into your house. Do you work on Sundays? thats another commandment you know. Maybe you just believe in the 8 commandments.

So Layout what is your pleasure do you want it dropped or do you want the last word?

Just remember, I am not wanting to take away any of your freedoms no matter what the voices are telling you.

 

[LDB]

Right to an attorney and a speedy trial(Gitmo)

That is a "right" only if you are a citizen. Gitmo "guests" are not citizens. They do not have such rights nor do they automatically deserve them. Nothing we'd do to them will match what they'll do to us given the chance. I have no sympathy for those "guests" since they desire only one thing, absolute annihilation of all of us.