Using Hair for a drug test

bobwg

Expert Expediter
lol in this particular case, yes it is part of the job application...but in the real world everyday...hmmm they need probable cause to check...other then a ramdom and that is "pee" test per the DOT regs (other then CR England making it part of their company policy) so without probable cause,, it ain't happening....and as to no limit....ever heard of the "statute of limitation" laws.....:rolleyes:
ok so what is the statue of limitation for drug use???? if there is one ????
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Not good enough keep testing with hair and if caught too bad again illegal is illegal the law doesnt say anything about only being guiltly if you are currently high it says use of drugs whether now or in the past there is no time limit that i know of
"Are you now, or have you ever illegally used a controlled substance?" Really? Is that how it works now? You smoked a joint when you were 19, and we've just now found out about it, doesn't matter that you're 61, you're going to jail, you druggie, you.

Anyone in here ever taken a prescription medication that wasn't prescribed for you? Maybe something your parents gave you? Antihistamine, cough syrup, Motrin? Don't pass GO, don't collect $200, report to jail forthwith, you druggie, you. And take your good-for-nothing drug-dealing parents with you.

Did you know that marijuana is legal in some places, especially if it's done within the confines and privacy of your own home?


ok so what is the statue of limitation for drug use???? if there is one ????
It varies by jurisdiction, but generally there is a limitation of 5 to 7 years after a crime has been committed. For different severities of felonies, it can be from 3-7 years, and for misdemeanors it can be 2 years or even one (for a second degree misdemeanor, which is what most state classify as possession of small amounts of marijuana).

The nit, though, is that in most states, "possession" of a controlled substance is illegal but "use" of the substance is not. Meaning, it's perfectly legal to use drugs, as long as you don't get caught possessing them, you druggie, you.
 

Desperado

Seasoned Expediter
I feel that if they test one person they should test everybody including welfare CEO"S just test everybody then it would be a fair system just to say you drive a truck your a druggie and need to be random drug tested is a bunch of hooey
 

bobwg

Expert Expediter
ok thats nice then use of illegal drug should be lllegal too not just having it and lets make the limitation 6 to 10 years
 

Yesteryear

Expert Expediter
Here is the thing with the drug testing using the hair follicle. I do not use drugs, smoke or drink. Now having said that Xmas before last I had out-patient surgery. After the surgery I was given a prescription before going home. Even though it was quite painful I did not have the prescription filled and just suffered the pain with nothing more then Tylenol. Why? Becaues I did not want to take anything that may be miscontsrued as "drugs" if I were to be called for a drug test.
Now if I had taken the prescription I would have had to worry about a drug test for the next month which would not have been too bad as I could have just produced the prescription, however if I had taken the prescription (oxycodine I believe is what it was the doctor prescribe) and where to be given a hair folicle test today 1 1/2 years later that drug would still show in my hair folicle. Would I still have that prescription now 1 1/2 years later. NO! lol See where I am going with this. Regardless of when or why a person took a drug, weather it was done illegally or on doctors orders, it is going to be there in that hair folicle. So, if they use the hair folicle for the drug test what does that mean? Will anyone having been prescribed a controlled substance then have to keep their medical records with them or will they just be labelled as a "drug user"? :D
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Here is the thing with the drug testing using the hair follicle. I do not use drugs, smoke or drink. Now having said that Xmas before last I had out-patient surgery. After the surgery I was given a prescription before going home. Even though it was quite painful I did not have the prescription filled and just suffered the pain with nothing more then Tylenol. Why? Becaues I did not want to take anything that may be miscontsrued as "drugs" if I were to be called for a drug test.
Now if I had taken the prescription I would have had to worry about a drug test for the next month which would not have been too bad as I could have just produced the prescription, however if I had taken the prescription (oxycodine I believe is what it was the doctor prescribe) and where to be given a hair folicle test today 1 1/2 years later that drug would still show in my hair folicle. Would I still have that prescription now 1 1/2 years later. NO! lol See where I am going with this. Regardless of when or why a person took a drug, weather it was done illegally or on doctors orders, it is going to be there in that hair folicle. So, if they use the hair folicle for the drug test what does that mean? Will anyone having been prescribed a controlled substance then have to keep their medical records with them or will they just be labelled as a "drug user"? :D
easy ...one call to your Dr's office if it came down to that...they have your medical history....but I think a simple explaination would suffice....
 

Yesteryear

Expert Expediter
easy ...one call to your Dr's office if it came down to that...they have your medical history....but I think a simple explaination would suffice....

Sure I could get my medical records from my doctor but
I don't think a lot of drivers have a regular doctor that they see exclusively. Especially ones that have recent relocations or just live in their trucks. We get home maybe once every 3 months or so, there are times we go to clinics or the ER.
When dealing with people that are on the road most of the time it might not be as simple as calling your private doctor for your records.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Sure I could get my medical records from my doctor but
I don't think a lot of drivers have a regular doctor that they see exclusively. Especially ones that have recent relocations or just live in their trucks. We get home maybe once every 3 months or so, there are times we go to clinics or the ER.
When dealing with people that are on the road most of the time it might not be as simple as calling your private doctor for your records.
you are really stretching the example....lol....

all I can say is...If a driver knows it might come back to bite them where the sun don't shine....better keep records...it is your job we are talking about...your responsibility...right? Yeah its a pain but thats the law...
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Here is the thing with the drug testing using the hair follicle. I do not use drugs, smoke or drink. Now having said that Xmas before last I had out-patient surgery. After the surgery I was given a prescription before going home. Even though it was quite painful I did not have the prescription filled and just suffered the pain with nothing more then Tylenol. Why? Becaues I did not want to take anything that may be miscontsrued as "drugs" if I were to be called for a drug test.
Now if I had taken the prescription I would have had to worry about a drug test for the next month which would not have been too bad as I could have just produced the prescription, however if I had taken the prescription (oxycodine I believe is what it was the doctor prescribe) and where to be given a hair folicle test today 1 1/2 years later that drug would still show in my hair folicle. Would I still have that prescription now 1 1/2 years later. NO! lol See where I am going with this. Regardless of when or why a person took a drug, weather it was done illegally or on doctors orders, it is going to be there in that hair folicle. So, if they use the hair folicle for the drug test what does that mean? Will anyone having been prescribed a controlled substance then have to keep their medical records with them or will they just be labelled as a "drug user"? :D

Even though they take an entire strand it is my understanding that is clipped to a certain length. Lets say average hair grows 2 inches in 3 months. They will take the newest 3 inches of hair and test that.
 

Yesteryear

Expert Expediter
you are really stretching the example....lol....

all I can say is...If a driver knows it might come back to bite them where the sun don't shine....better keep records...it is your job we are talking about...your responsibility...right? Yeah its a pain but thats the law...


Gets ya thinking though lol! :D Me, I say just simply don't take anything that could compromise a test period. . . ever! Like you said, it could cost you your livelihood! Personally I would still prefer the hair follicle test. Less embarrassing . . . I'm just saying it could cause an innocent person a little extra trouble in some instances. As for how they test a hair, weather it is the whole hair or 3 inches of the hair, don't got a clue or even a guess on that one. Never had it done. :)
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
all OOPS should be tested Once a week mandatory.

For Drugs and Alcohol & a hair Floic test done as well once a month.

This will get rid of quite a few that think that they are above everyone and untouchable.

To those that read these Tabbs at the CO Now Take the Hint.
 

blackpup

Veteran Expediter
That's kind of my point, though. If someone gets high at a party, but is not under the influence at all when they next report for work, then what they did on their own time is nunya. What if someone is OOS and on vacation for three or four weeks and gets high once or twice that first week? A hair test will cost them their job.

The reason for drug testing is to deter and prevent people from driving while under the influence so as to protect the public. What someone does on their own time is nunya as long as it doesn't effect what they do while in-service. Like LOS said, no testing without probable cause. If there is probable cause to believe that someone operated a CMV while under the influence, and that cause can be articulated, then a hair test is fine. Otherwise, it's a gross intrusion into privacy, a witch hunt for your past.

Big ol 10-4 on the intrusion into personal privacy.

jimmy
 

springrivergroup

Seasoned Expediter
All random drug test or searches are a direct violation of Section 242 of Title 18 of the United States Code, and punishable by fines and or imprisonment, or death.

United States Code is supreme to DOT or any company rules.

Don’t says it’s the law to have random drug test when the actual law of the US makes it a felony to force it on a driver by holding their ability to make a living hostage.

When our government actually starts to fallow the LAW this country will begin to become great again.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Gets ya thinking though lol! :D Me, I say just simply don't take anything that could compromise a test period. . . ever! Like you said, it could cost you your livelihood!

You must have one helluva high threshold for pain tolerance, lol. Having been a nurse and surgical patient, just the thought of foregoing appropriate pain medication postoperatively makes me shudder. :eek:
If we have come to the point where we're afraid to take legally prescribed medication as directed, [because of a drug test], then we have no civil rights left, IMO.
 

LisaLouHoo

Expert Expediter
You must have one helluva high threshold for pain tolerance, lol. Having been a nurse and surgical patient, just the thought of foregoing appropriate pain medication postoperatively makes me shudder. :eek:
If we have come to the point where we're afraid to take legally prescribed medication as directed, [because of a drug test], then we have no civil rights left, IMO.

With cervical spondylosis involving 4 intervertebral discs and spinal cord impingement, I have constant pain of which the level varies. My ortho, neuro and primary care have all offered me the option of Medical Marijuana. Not yet. It's not that I am afraid of a drug test...I just don't want to go THERE if I don't have to. I manage with aspirin, the occassional Tramadol, heat, and deep tissue massages to work out the muscle knots that develop from the base of my skull down to the bottom of my rib cage. To be honest, the pain has become a part of life, to the point it limits me some and really has changed the way I do daily things...but I don't want to go to MM (allergic to morphine and vicodin, found those out the hard way, and wouldn't want to go there either) because in my mind, that means the degenerative disc disease has won.

On a scale of 1-10, my pain level day to day averages about 6. There are those days, like this morning with the rain moving in, where it's about 14,396. Give or take. Three regular strength store brand aspirin will work wonders. I have tried Aleve, Extra Strength Excedrin and the like; yet even those don't work as well as Wally World's generic aspirin.

It may have slowed me down, but it's not going to overtake me.



"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
With cervical spondylosis involving 4 intervertebral discs and spinal cord impingement, I have constant pain of which the level varies. My ortho, neuro and primary care have all offered me the option of Medical Marijuana. Not yet. It's not that I am afraid of a drug test...I just don't want to go THERE if I don't have to. I manage with aspirin, the occassional Tramadol, heat, and deep tissue massages to work out the muscle knots that develop from the base of my skull down to the bottom of my rib cage. To be honest, the pain has become a part of life, to the point it limits me some and really has changed the way I do daily things...but I don't want to go to MM (allergic to morphine and vicodin, found those out the hard way, and wouldn't want to go there either) because in my mind, that means the degenerative disc disease has won.

On a scale of 1-10, my pain level day to day averages about 6. There are those days, like this morning with the rain moving in, where it's about 14,396. Give or take. Three regular strength store brand aspirin will work wonders. I have tried Aleve, Extra Strength Excedrin and the like; yet even those don't work as well as Wally World's generic aspirin.

It may have slowed me down, but it's not going to overtake me.



"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008
I know yours is completely different....I have 3 nerve pinches in my C section of my spine...which after time I get headaches I am taking way too much Tylinol ...I go to physio about 6-8 moths and go on the "rack" a machine that stretches out the neck/cervical area....20 minutes , 2 sessions.....headaches are gone...tension gone...and repeat as needed....
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
I know yours is completely different....I have 3 nerve pinches in my C section of my spine...which after time I get headaches I am taking way too much Tylinol ...I go to physio about 6-8 moths and go on the "rack" a machine that stretches out the neck/cervical area....20 minutes , 2 sessions.....headaches are gone...tension gone...and repeat as needed....

The rack used to be a torture method, now it's a cure, funny:rolleyes:
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
All random drug test or searches are a direct violation of Section 242 of Title 18 of the United States Code, and punishable by fines and or imprisonment, or death.

United States Code is supreme to DOT or any company rules.

That's odd, the constitution says they can regulate interstate commerce - which the drug test is applied to those who hold a DOT authority as an interstate transporter.

NO where in the constitution does it say that government can't regulate interstate trucking or the jobs related to it.
 
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