USA.. where the S is for Sharia

[RLENT]

There are MANY fine American-Arabs in the Detroit area. I know a few.

Thank you for having the guts and courage to say so.

Most that I know have done WAY MORE than most native born Americans have to defend this Nation AGAINST radical Islam. THEY understand the realities, most here do NOT.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this is true - and it might well explain why the CIA, FBI, and other various US government agencies had such a large recruiting force on the ground at Arab Fest in Deaborn.

If you want to dismantle Radical Islam in the US (and elsewhere) then part of the way to do it might be from within ..... and that will never, ever happen unless the general environment here in the US is made safe enough for those Muslims that aren't radical (the vast majority, by far) to feel - at a minimum - not unwelcome in this country .... and thereby a part of us ...

Suffice it to say, there is little encouragement provided to those that could, or might speak, out against Radical Islam - when they themselves are categorized, lumped in, and/or treated in a similar manner (discrimination, etc.) as Radical Islamists .... or just simply viewed with utter disdain ..... by a grossly ignorant and ill-informed populance.

Despite that, there are some individuals/organization who are brave enough to speakout nontheless - to name but a few:

Dr. Tawfik Hamid and Tawfik Hamid (Wikipedia)

Tarek Fatah (CBC article)

Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam

Global Movement Against Radical Islam

Muslims Against Sharia

It doesn't particularly help matters to alienate potential allies, particularly given that those allies might well become the greatest force against those which are our mutual enemies ...

There is a somewhat insightful commentary on the problem by Sushant Sareen, a Delhi-based (India) journalist is here:

The war against radical Islam

I have no idea of his religion, if any (possibly Hindu but who knows .... or cares, for that matter) - I would assume he is an Indian national. At any rate, his analysis begs the question:

"What does one do to combat radical Islam ?"

and further:

"What could a non-Muslim do to combat radical Islam ?"

I would maintain that marginalizing those who might well potentially be the greatest foes of Radical Islam probably ain't any type of workable solution to the problem.

The closing sentence in the article is of particular significance:

"The war against Islamic terrorism has to be really fought within Islamic societies if a 'clash of civilisations' is to be avoided."

This is true. There are largely two sides within that war - one only has to examine ones own conduct to answer the question:

"Do my words and deeds contribute to the side that is against radical Islam, or are they, in fact, pushing people from that side towards radical Islam ?"

There are, however, radical Islamic groups operating in the US doing all they can to disrupt our fight against them and destroy this Nation. This is nothing new.

Again, also true.

The "Shadow War" never ends.

Indeed .... against enemies both foreign and domestic .....

(The general idea being that domestic enemies are those among us, not necessarily of foreign origin, who would advocate those things which are against the Constitution and traditional American values .... such as suppression of the right to free assembly and driving out so-called "undesirables" ..... )

I am appaulled by that lack of honest reporting and out right LIES that are put out there as "NEWS".

I hope I understand you correctly - in that you are saying this as a general principal (and thereby not necessarily always true, but only true in the specific), and not specifically aimed at either of the articles I quoted.

If that is not the case, then please provide whatever evidence you have that either of the articles I quoted are "outright lies".

 

[RLENT]

Interesting. A principal assaults a student but the principal isn't fired. I'll go ahead and suggest the principal be fired and blacklisted from holding any position working with students. I'll also suggest he be arrested and tried for assault. Now I'll be blasted for suggesting a person committing assault be held accountable.

Not by me you won't - if the actual facts are substantially as stated, then that is exactly what should happen (of course it should be assault and battery - since that is what apparently occurred)

I'll also be blasted for suggesting he be fired.

Again - not by me.

But not only that - if the guy holds a teaching cert, it should be revoked and he should be barred from teaching for life

Oh well, that's life in the right lane.

Would have been far more accurate had you said:

"Oh well, that's life in the occasionally correct - but sometimes wildly wrong - lane."

Based on what I've seen some will think I'm way too mean and way too harsh on the poor misunderstood discrimination victim principal.

Heheheh .... that's pretty rich Leo ..... however it's my guess that that the irony of that statement might well escape you:

The tone of your last few posts in this thread just utterly drip of victimhood themselves .... (a state of being that suits none well, I might add)

FWIW, while I disagree with you philosophically, I liked you way better as a villain, in contrast to your newly assumed identity .....

 

[RLENT]

From Pamelageller.com: Looks like they are having a few problems in Dearborn getting Muslims and Christians to live together.

Newsflash:

There are problems all over the entire planet, getting folks from different races, cultures, creeds, and religions (not just Christian and Muslim) to live to together peacefully.

The real question is:

"Is one, by one's words and deeds, part of the problem - or part of the solution ?"

 

[layoutshooter]

Rlent, I was speaking abour our press in general. The lies and misleading stories have been going on for as long as I have been in a position to know they are bad stories. Prior to my enlistment into the army I made the same mistake that most people in this country make, new is news. WRONG!!

When I really started in my career field after my training ended it became VERY apparent that our news media was, to be nice, not very accurate, about their reporting on Viet Nam, Russia, China etc. IN FACT, they were lying like a hound dog in the sun!! EVERY major even that I worked on over my 20 years was "mis-reported". That is very wrong and very sad. That type of reported has, and still is, contributing to the deaths of many many people.

Of course there are many fine Arabs, Persians, Israilis, Americans etc etc etc. I would even go as far as to say that MOST people world wide would prefere to just live and let live. Radicals of all kinds are making that difficult. Religious radicals, radical governments are setting up for a murder spree not unlike what we saw in the mid to late 20th century. Russia is expanding world wide, Syria, China, Iran and North Korea. Some things NEVER change. It WILL start again unless WE and our few allies that are worth a dump stand up and STOP it before it really gets going again. Considering our current Coward in Chief I do NOT see that happening.

I am SURE that CIA, NSA the FBI and a few other alphabet agencies know full well that they have TWO opposite groups in the Detroit area. Those who would go out of their way to help the US in their fight, they LOVE this country in a way that very FEW native born Americans do. Most born here have had it far too easy for far too long to understand just what this country has to offer.

The other, smaller group, wants to destroy this Nation. I fear that the current resident of the White House at BEST does not know enough to take this threat seriously and MIGHT even be symathetic with their beliefs at worse.

Either way, Obama does NOT have the skills, experience or understanding to be trusted to do his job.

 

[RLENT]

BTW, here's one I'm reeaaally curious about, since we seem to be into positing hypotheticals lately:

If there were a Muslim "volunteer" wrestling coach at your school, who held private wrestling camps, where he was (without your knowledge) proslytezing the individuals attending, including your (possibly minor, in age) child, to convert to Islam .... what would the reaction be then ?

Everybody down with that ..... or do ya see it as a problem ?

In the case in question, ya figger that when the parent sent "Junior" off to "wrestling" camp - and entrusted him to the care of a supposedly responsible adult - that he pretty much assumed that wrestling was what was gonna be taught - as opposed to indoctrination into a faith other than the one you had raised him in ?

Or do you figure that the individual in question, Trey (aka "the moron") Hanc0ck provided full and complete disclosure of what he intended to do, to the parent, from the outset, during the sign-up ?

 

[layoutshooter]

It is my personal belief that sports etc should be sports and relgion, religon. NOW, when I was in Catholic school that was different. In public school, wo would say a very generic prayer before a game, not allowed now.

When I was a 4H shooting sports instructor we said the Pledge of Alligence and the Lords Prayer before starting our work for the evening. Those who CHOOSE to participate did, those who did not, didn't. No problems. We did NOT talk religion. Well, the religion of putting rounds in the center ring!!

I belive in putting your cards on the table. IF your "sports camp" is REALLY religious training, say so. Otherwise, stick to sports.

It is NOT right to "hyjack" a kid behind their parents backs. IF that is what happened. I doubt if the entire true story was told or will EVER come out.

 

[LDB]

I'm me. I'm not a victim and I'm not a villain. I'm an impatient guy (when it comes to writing) who won't take the time to write expounded missives although they are fine for those who want to write or read them. The only downside is that sometimes the short burst doesn't interpret as well as the extended firing.