US Supreme Court allows anti-gay military funeral protests

[greg334]

But see when you say this, you are propagating the same hate that they are screaming. You lose, even if you think you win because it isn't what happens to you but what you did that overshadows everything with this media.

Fight them with the same tools, the same way and united.

 

[chefdennis]

Nope... Kill'em....

 

[skyraider]

Nope... Kill'em....

Yep, hang in there , the military will take care of their own, patience patience patience.IMHO

 

[purgoose10]

I think the Green Berets have a saying and I quote, "KILL THEM ALL, AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT". End quote..

Don't let me be in the area of that deal I'll make the news.

 

[Turtle]

It amazes me those people who purport to believe so strongly in the Constitution yet are so quickly and eagerly ready to set aside parts of it they don't like if it serves an emotional purpose, and will selectively remove those Constitutional protections from others as they deem fit.

If we don't believe in free speech for the people we despise, then we don't believe in it at all.

 

[witness23]

Why even try Turtle? It is futile.

 

[chefdennis]

For me personally, look back at my 1st post where I said that the SC has changed how they look at 1A in many cases, so yea the have the right to say whatever they want. but then theey also might have to deal with what happens after the fact....

 

[EnglishLady]

The gray area is where does ones right to exercise that right infringe on another's right?

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All comments about "kill 'em" aside ....

What about Golfournut's comment - have the funeral party not got any rights in all of this??

 

[Turtle]

Why even try Turtle? It is futile.

I try in my futility because I know how precious the right of free speech, among others, is. I think it was Napoleon Bonaparte who said something along the lines of 'A people which is able to say everything becomes able to do everything.' The history of mankind can be measured in terms of not allowing the people to freely speak their mind.

When you think about it for a bit, the only way to make absolutely sure people you agree with can speak, is to support the rights of people you don't agree with.

But more importantly on a personal level, I feel that if I have something to say, then I should have the right to say it, even if others don't agree with it. And if I demand that right, then I must give the same right to others, especially if I don't agree with what they have to say. To do otherwise reeks of hypocrisy.

Silencing the expression of an opinion is evil. And the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race, both the current generation and all generations to follow, those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth. And if wrong, they lose what is almost as great a benefit - the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

 

[Turtle]

What about Golfournut's comment - have the funeral party not got any rights in all of this??

But what rights of the funeral party, exactly, are being violated? The right to not be offended? No rights are being violated. Like it or not, people do have the right to be annoying.

I can understand how someone from another country could be confused by our rules and regulations, and mistake them for "rights". To mistake rights for something that can be revoked or infringed upon.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

These unalienable rights also includes the right to speak your mind. This is what our country was founded upon, and it is what holds us together as a people.



BTW, Dennis...
RLENT sends his thanks for the "Nope... Kill'em...." comment.

 

[chefdennis]

Turtle wrote:

BTW, Dennis...
RLENT sends his thanks for the "Nope... Kill'em...." comment.

LOL, I am sure he does...

See Sue, I told you it was to "Egg him on"..I should have just said "them" instead of using his name....But I knew it would...and has I said, i do believe thats how to handle it IF it YOU that they are picketing...but it was done to "stir it up"...LOL...

 

[EnglishLady]

But what rights of the funeral party, exactly, are being violated? The right to not be offended? No rights are being violated. Like it or not, people do have the right to be annoying.

I can understand how someone from another country could be confused by our rules and regulations, and mistake them for "rights". To mistake rights for something that can be revoked or infringed upon.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

These unalienable rights also includes the right to speak your mind. This is what our country was founded upon, and it is what holds us together as a people.



BTW, Dennis...
RLENT sends his thanks for the "Nope... Kill'em...." comment.

My thanks to Greg and yourself Turtle - though I do confess I am still flabberghasted that people would want to do this at a funeral.

They certainly, IMO, are not letting the "pursuit of happiness" find its way to the mourners.

 

[Turtle]

My thanks to Greg and yourself Turtle - though I do confess I am still flabberghasted that people would want to do this at a funeral.

I agree.

Then again, I'm routinely flabbergasted by the actions of many Christians, or rather those who call themselves and think they are Christians.

They certainly, IMO, are not letting the "pursuit of happiness" find its way to the mourners.

Well, the right to pursue happiness is no guarantee of achieving it.

 

[bobwg]

The answer is patriotguard.org

 

[layoutshooter]

The answer is patriotguard.org

Yes it is. There was a funeral for a young soldier in Monroe, MI last year. The Patriot Guard was there. They did a FINE job. Looked good and VERY respectful.

That is what that so called "church group" in missing RESPECT for others. "Rights" only work when people show respect for others.

 

[cheri1122]

I am with Sky...the law is still looking for a Military sniper that they think shot his wife in the head as she performed on stage in a country western bar...they figure he shot her from over 500 yards away....Sooer or later that is what you will see with this group. Then all you have to do is put the garbage to the curb to be taken away....

Just hypothetically, say there's a group of people who consider that your views are so offensive that they are compelled to silence you by force [because the law will not] - is it okay with you if they "put the garbage to the curb" when YOU are 'the garbage'?
Think hard before you answer, because it could happen. When being offensive is punishable by death, none of us are safe.
Several towns have countered this group by planning - the need for publicity that compels WBC to announce where they will picket is their Achilles heel. Folks can prevent them with a number of strategies, and that's how we use our freedom of speech - wisely.

 

[layoutshooter]

Using your freedom of speech wisely includes having RESPECT for others, like those who are grieving the loss of a loved on killing in the service of this country.

Interfering with the most private of ceremonies, the funeral of a loved one, for ANY reason is BEYOND reason.

While I agree with the ruling I DESPISE those who do this and WOULD, without a doubt, insure PEACE and quiet at a funeral involving a family member of mine. My family and I have THAT right too. The freedom to practice OUR religious rights WITHOUT interference of others. Why is it that those rights are seldom mentioned? Some in here might even say that we don't have a "right" to that. Our beliefs are just as "right" as those who would disturb us.

 

[Pilgrim]

... My family and I have THAT right too. The freedom to practice OUR religious rights WITHOUT interference of others. Why is it that those rights are seldom mentioned? Some in here might even say that we don't have a "right" to that. Our beliefs are just as "right" as those who would disturb us.

That's a point that has been lingering in my mind ever since these fools started appearing in the news. At what point does their right of free speech trump my right to practice my religion? In many of these funerals the Phelps cult is doing exactly that - interfering with a peaceful, law-abiding religious ceremony. In just briefly scanning some of the reviews in the media about the decision, it seems that the "interference with practice of religion" approach was not taken and still might be an option. There were also some comments about possibly taking action to revoke their tax-exempt status as a church.

"...The court did not say whether state or local governments could pass laws which restrict the protests, as the state of Arizona did after the Tucson shootings. The court also did not address whether someone could sue if they could see the signs of church members, or if the protests did interfere with the funeral service."

A summary and analysis of the Westboro Baptist Church Supreme Court decision - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com

 

[witness23]

Using your freedom of speech wisely includes having RESPECT for others, like those who are grieving the loss of a loved on killing in the service of this country.

Interfering with the most private of ceremonies, the funeral of a loved one, for ANY reason is BEYOND reason.

While I agree with the ruling I DESPISE those who do this and WOULD, without a doubt, insure PEACE and quiet at a funeral involving a family member of mine. My family and I have THAT right too. The freedom to practice OUR religious rights WITHOUT interference of others. Why is it that those rights are seldom mentioned? Some in here might even say that we don't have a "right" to that. Our beliefs are just as "right" as those who would disturb us.

It must really suck being you, living in a country such as ours must be trying on the soul. I do feel for you though, it must be hard to contain your anger and frustration, I mean, with all these things going on in our country, our freedoms taken away, our borders not secure, sharia law infiltrating our courts, suburbs going to hell, Baptists' exploiting their religous freedoms, and on and on and on it goes, what helpless feelings you must have.

 

[chefdennis]

Cheri wrote:

Just hypothetically, say there's a group of people who consider that your views are so offensive that they are compelled to silence you by force [because the law will not] - is it okay with you if they "put the garbage to the curb" when YOU are 'the garbage'?
Think hard before you answer, because it could happen. When being offensive is punishable by death, none of us are safe.
Several towns have countered this group by planning - the need for publicity that compels WBC to announce where they will picket is their Achilles heel. Folks can prevent them with a number of strategies, and that's how we use our freedom of speech - wisely.

Had a nice response but It ain't worth it...Lets just say that it wouldn't be the 1st time as that attempt has been made before...