Two Ferguson, MO Policemen Ambushed: Anyone Surprised?
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I suggest you read some more, and try to concentrate on the objective evidence rather than the items and opinions that feed into the "hands up don't shoot" myth. Of course there's no way for anyone to determine what emotions were going through Wilson's mind at the time of the shooting. However, there are certain FACTS that by now are common knowledge to anyone who has taken the time to read even summaries of the event:
1. Brown's autopsy revealed THC in his blood and urine. He had been smoking pot before robbing the store.
2. Brown physically attached Wilson while he was seated in his cruiser, tried to take his gun which discharged during the struggle, wounding Brown. His blood was found in the cruiser.
3. Brown was shot while charging Wilson after disregarding his orders. Wilson was backing up while shooting at Brown. Only a few yards separated them.
Have you ever been attacked or physically threatened by someone over 6' tall and 250 lbs? Would it be fair to say you would be in fear of somebody like this who meant to do you bodily harm? Keep in mind you only have a few seconds to decide whether or not to defend yourself - if you can.
No, we don't "all know better" and you don't seem to know what you're talking about, just parroting the same old liberal talking points Read some more, and try some sources besides those like Mother Jones and The Daily Kos.
?Hands up, don?t shoot? was built on a lie - The Washington Post
Hilarious.
1: Smoking pot is not known to make anyone aggressive - to the contrary, it tends to have a mellowing effect. This has been proven many times over, so it hardly adds credence to the "aggressive thug" persona you promote.
2:Wilson didn't shoot Brown during that altercation, but after it concluded, and Brown posed zero imminent threat.
3: You state that Brown was "charging at Wilson" but that is not a fact.
No, I have never been attacked in the scenario you present: so what?
If you believe that every decision to prosecute or not is based entirely and solely on the presumed guilt [or lack of] the accused, you have no business commenting on this case, because everyone else knows better.
Oh yes, about that "disregarding an order" thing: did you know that of a population of 21,000 people, there were 16,000 outstanding arrest warrants at the time of the DOJ investigation? [And, no, that's not multiple warrants for the same people, with different charges - that's one for each person wanted] This is just beyond the beyonds, as my Grandma used to say. And if we continue to blow it off as troublemakers who deserved trouble, it WILL come back to bite us, guaranteed.
The Shocking Finding From the DOJ's Ferguson Report That Nobody Has Noticed | Nathan Robinson
1: Smoking pot is not known to make anyone aggressive - to the contrary, it tends to have a mellowing effect. This has been proven many times over, so it hardly adds credence to the "aggressive thug" persona you promote.
2:Wilson didn't shoot Brown during that altercation, but after it concluded, and Brown posed zero imminent threat.
3: You state that Brown was "charging at Wilson" but that is not a fact.
No, I have never been attacked in the scenario you present: so what?
If you believe that every decision to prosecute or not is based entirely and solely on the presumed guilt [or lack of] the accused, you have no business commenting on this case, because everyone else knows better.
Oh yes, about that "disregarding an order" thing: did you know that of a population of 21,000 people, there were 16,000 outstanding arrest warrants at the time of the DOJ investigation? [And, no, that's not multiple warrants for the same people, with different charges - that's one for each person wanted] This is just beyond the beyonds, as my Grandma used to say. And if we continue to blow it off as troublemakers who deserved trouble, it WILL come back to bite us, guaranteed.
The Shocking Finding From the DOJ's Ferguson Report That Nobody Has Noticed | Nathan Robinson
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No worries ... we all understand that the spasms of frothy excitement are very hard to overcome ...
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Those three statements prove you are clueless.
You obviously haven't read a single sentence of the autopsy, the testimony or the reports in question; or maybe the facts just don't suit your agenda. Regardless, your ignorance disqualifies you from an intelligent discussion about the Brown case - enjoy your state of bliss.
Those three statements prove that [unlike many here], I respond to each point raised by the opposition with a declaration of fact - something you have not done. Are you disputing the fact that THC has a mellowing effect, which makes your citing it as an adjunct to aggressive behavior asinine?
Or the fact that the physical altercation between Brown and Wilson had concluded and Brown was not close enough to harm Wilson?
Or the fact that what Wilson declares was Brown "charging" at him was disputed by eyewitnesses? And even if it were true, there are ways to respond to that threat that don't require killing an unarmed person - Wilson could have simply locked himself in his police car and radioed for backup.
"Clueless" is someone who insists that lack of criminal charges = lack of guilt. Meaning every criminal who accepts an offer of immunity in return for testimony helping to convict an even worse criminal is therefore not guilty, because he wasn't charged.
Or that corporations that settle and politicians who resign rather than admit guilt are also not guilty, because they weren't charged.
Clueless, from you, is pretty funny.
THC doesn't have the same effect on every person with regards to their mood. It may have a mellowing effect, but I'm not sure that's even the issue.
We know that Brown displayed an aggressive demeanor because of his actions in the store with the clerk. The issue with THC is did it play a role in altering his judgements and ultimately his actions?
What would be the reaction if it were discovered that officer Wilson had THC in his system?
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He'd be terminated from the cops, and probably unable to get a job with any police force in the US. And Canada, they don't like drug users either. Even where it's legal, it's not legal [or smart] to use while on the job, or before going to work.
What does it matter?
What does it matter? Because it can affect their judgement.He'd be terminated from the cops, and probably unable to get a job with any police force in the US. And Canada, they don't like drug users either. Even where it's legal, it's not legal [or smart] to use while on the job, or before going to work.
What does it matter?
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Absolutely. It's well known that it can make one more interested in scoring Doritos & Twinkies, and just hanging out/kicking back than doing anything like work.
It can even make one laugh at an Adam Sandler movie, and judgement doesn't get more warped than that, IMO.
Correct. It's very aggressive behavior. It's also the exact opposite behavior that THC induces.
The amount of THC found in Michael Brown's blood was 12 nanograms of active TCH per milliliter (ng/mL). That's about the amount found in the blood of a recreational pot smoker who had smoked pot about two hours previously. When someone smokes a joint their blood will have about 100 ng/mL of active THC immediately after (5-10 minutes), then rapidly dropping to below 20 ng/mL within 45 minutes, and remaining above 10 for 1-2 hours. Within 3-4 hours it drops to a level of between 1 and 4 ng/mL.
There's yet no definitive consensus on what level of TCH causes impairment, but numerous crash studies independently show that drivers with THC concentrations of less than 5 ng/mL in their blood have a crash risk no higher than that of drug-free users. It takes extraordinarily high levels of THC in the bloodstream before the impairment of chilled and mellow turns to paranoia and hallucinations (generally well over 100 ng/mL), and even higher before aggressive behavior manifests itself (generally over 200 ng/mL). Those who are aggressive at normal levels of THC (20 ng/mL or less) are generally highly aggressive people in the first place, and the THC plays little or no role in the aggressive behavior.
Michael Brown's 12 ng/mL serum THC doesn't indicate that it played any kind of a role in the incident at the convenience store or in the interaction with Office Wilson.
Another point that needs to be made, again, is that while Michael Brown was an imposing figure at a big 6'4" and 289 pounds, and scary (because he was, you know, black), Darren Wilson was also 6'4" and weighed in at 210 pounds, and was also a white cop with a gun and a badge in a town where white cops with guns and badges ruled with, we now know, an iron fist with virtually no fear of being prosecuted for their actions, which makes them pretty intimidatingly imposing in their own right. Even if you're not 6'4" and 210 pounds, a gun certainly adds a significant about of weight.
Wilson was attacked while sitting in his cruiser, but according to grand jury testimony (including Wilson's), and human nature being what it is, it is highly unlikely that the attack was without any provocation whatsoever (being justified or unjustified).
As someone else noted, not being charged and prosecuted does not necessarily equal freedom from guilt.
I do think it's very interesting that some people still think (or desperately want the narrative to be) that the Ferguson protests and riots were because of the Michael Brown shooting, and a justified shooting at that. As we now know, the Michael Brown shooting was nothing more than the unwatched Ferguson pot of water boiling over, after simmering then roiling for quite some time.
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