Turn every school into a fortress.

[RLENT]

I don't take it personally and truthfully there are a select few that I expect just such a response from and would be disappointed to not get just such a response. However, unless and until you know me personally you don't know what you are talking about and couldn't be more wrong.

I feel I know you plenty well enough - simply based on your commentary here - to render the judgement that I wouldn't want my kids enrolled in a school where you were on location, as a citizen, armed with a firearm and in some manner responsible for "security" - either on an official, or a self-appointed basis ...

On a self-appointed basis because, well I feel already have a good grasp on your ideas about "justice" (state delivered ... and vigilante) ... and on a official basis because any body that would appoint you (in light of the former) deserves to have it's competency questioned ...

Having said that, the above doesn't mean that I would have any problem whatsoever with having my kids attend school where sane, competent armed guards were present.

 

[skyraider]

Took part of my quote out of context ..... naughty, naughty.

As you can see, I had been talking about attentiveness and installing morals whether it be two or one parent.

I don't think anyone would disagree that two loving parents is better than one ...... sometimes though it can't be avoided, then it is up to the single parent to step up and cover both roles.

You all quit messiing with Englishlady, she can do no wrong and anyway, shes British and on our side,,,,,,,,,,,,there was no tone, just being nice...............

 

[skyraider]

I'll just go with the simple fix.

On a serious note, but loved the pic,,,,, when the women get on-board that they want their babies protected at daycares thru college and want armed guards on campus at the entrance doors or hallways, nothing will be done to truly protect the kids. You guys know that if Momma ain't happy , no ones gonna be happy, but the Mommas of this USA are gonna have to say, we want armed guards at the schools or all zell will break loose at home and I bet the men will go into action the armed guard will be on campuses and daycares in 24 hrs,,,u just wait and see.................imho

 

[tenntrucker]

Says it all!

 

[LDB]

I feel I know you plenty well enough - simply based on your commentary here - to render the judgement that I wouldn't want my kids enrolled in a school where you were on location, as a citizen, armed with a firearm and in some manner responsible for "security" - either on an official, or a self-appointed basis ...

On a self-appointed basis because, well I feel already have a good grasp on your ideas about "justice" (state delivered ... and vigilante) ... and on a official basis because any body that would appoint you (in light of the former) deserves to have it's competency questioned ...

Having said that, the above doesn't mean that I would have any problem whatsoever with having my kids attend school where sane, competent armed guards were present.

No skin off my nose. That's your potential loss not my potential loss.

 

[davekc]

Trained police would be the preference of most however for budgetary reasons I could see a few trained teachers perform that role. If we are allowing pilots to be trained to carry a firearm I think it could work with select teachers.

 

[aristotle]

Trained police would be the preference of most however for budgetary reasons I could see a few trained teachers perform that role. If we are allowing pilots to be trained to carry a firearm I think it could work with select teachers.

We will get there. When enough bloodletting of slaughtered school children outrages enough citizens, armed security at schools will become the norm. Just the waste and fraud that goes on with the food stamp program would fund plenty of school cops. Priorities have to change.

 

[Moot]

I invite our more liberal members to offer how we can best protect our 6 year-old children from being helplessly slaughtered at elementary schools. As things stand presently, there are no serious means of protection at many schools. Are our places of education going to be school houses or slaughter houses?

I don't consider myself one of "our" more liberal members. Far from it. What exactly do you purpose? Should we have armed guards at the doors and patrolling the halls of our schools? What about armed guards patrolling our neighborhoods, playgrounds, Chuck E. Cheeses, libraries, shopping malls and our homes?

This tragic school shooting could be given a little positive spin. We could ease the unemployment crisis by hiring the chronic unemployed, training and arming them to protect our youngsters wherever they may roam. Its like one of those win/win situations I read about. How cool is that?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Homeschooling for the win.

 

[Moot]

We must toughen security in our schools. We should welcome ideas from all political spectrums on school safety.

What about ideas from various religions on the subject of school safety? Sorry couldn't wait for your reply. The following ideas are from a Catholic.

I am a Catholic. I attended a Catholic grade school for my Wonder Bread years, K-6. During those 7 years I don't recall a single shooting. We had no school police, psychologists, security guards, male teachers or metal detectors. We had nuns! 80% of our teachers were nuns. The rest were females. Old females and one had a prosthetic arm with a permanent 90º bend at the elbow. Perfect for walking up and down the aisles of desks and whacking unsuspecting students in the base of their skulls. The only adult males were two priests and one janitor.

Nuns were tough! In 4th grade Sister Naomi punched Rick Hunt in the nose, causing it to explode in a gusher of blood because he laughed while singing the Little Drummer Boy song, he found the line "the ox and âss kept time" hilarious. He repeated the word "âss", giggle and then got punched in the nose. Steve Dugan, a naturally big kid, who had also been held back at least one grade, thought the punch in the nose and all the blood was even funnier than the word âss in a Christmas song. He ended up on his hands and knees cleaning up the trail of blood that lead out the classroom and down the hall to the lavatory.

At about 4½' tall and 4' wide there was probably more under those robes than just Sister Naomi. We were all pretty sure she was packing. Probably at the least a revolver. Maybe more. The point is, nobody ever wanted to challenge her to where she would reveal what she carried. Had Rick Hunt pulled a gun instead of laughing at the word âss, Sister Naomi would have blown him away, Steve Dugan would still have had to clean up the blood and I would have been sent to fetch a priest to perform the Last Rites.

If you want to protect are youngsters from outside crazies, put a half dozen nuns in every school. Real nuns in the full garb, from habit to combat boots.

 

[aristotle]

Moot... schools are charged with protecting students while in their care. You know that. The Latin term for this legal duty imposed on schools is " in loco parentis." School administrators have an affirmative legal duty to protect students while acting as their custodian during school hours. It is an important function not to be dismissed lightly. Pretty soon, school boards are going to face massive lawsuits if they do not treat this responsibility with the gravity it deserves.

What I have proposed is found throughout this thread. How did you miss it? Generally speaking, an armed presence.

School boards are people. And like people everywhere, some will embrace truth and reality immediately. Some stragglers will eventually embrace truth , begrudgingly. Lastly, there are those who will try to laugh it away. The last group cannot be reached.

 

[layoutshooter]

There will be no arming of schools. The Federal Government is taking over. Obama is starting his assault on the Constitution in January. He has already said that. He could not be happier. He will also be able to put tens of thousands of Americans out of work when he outlaws the products that they make. EVIL IS TAKING OVER and crime will INCREASE as will school shootings. And the Sheeple will fall in line. Fewer guns, more crime, fewer human rights. Welcome to the Soviet Socialist State of North America.

 

[Moot]

Moot...
What I have proposed is found throughout this thread. How did you miss it? Generally speaking, an armed presence.

I didn't miss it. I think before we fortify our schools, workplaces, theaters etc. we should try and identify and help the crazies before they commit mass murder and maybe tone down the media and presidential attention some of these loonies are craving.

Has anyone noticed the increase in school and workplace shootings seem to coincide with the increase in gun control? Schools and workplaces have signs at all entrances stating GUNS ARE BANNED ON PREMISES. Can't these scofflaws read?

 

[aristotle]

I didn't miss it. I think before we fortify our schools, workplaces, theaters etc. we should try and identify and help the crazies before they commit mass murder and maybe tone down the media and presidential attention some of these loonies are craving.

Has anyone noticed the increase in school and workplace shootings seem to coincide with the increase in gun control? Schools and workplaces have signs at all entrances stating GUNS ARE BANNED ON PREMISES. Can't these scofflaws read?

We can do both simultaneously. Increase security on-site and do a better job of identifying persons posing a threat. Most of our schools have no real security to speak of. It's like they've placed security on the honor system.

Truly, how does a family or community deal with the next Adam Lanza?

 

[RLENT]

Most of our schools have no real security to speak of. It's like they've placed security on the honor system.

Where does this data come from ?

Is there a comprehensive survey or report that was done where this was documented, codified, and reported ?

Or is it just one of those "everybody knows" sorta things ?

Perhaps something that was pulled out of a warm, moist place ... just to share with others ?

I can't really speak for all areas, or even any other area of the country (and I doubt you really can either) but at our local public school system (which is in a low crime, suburban area) the facilities are secured - meaning electronically locked doors - while children are in attendance during normal school hours ...

To get in at the highschool, middle school, or elementary school, you have to be buzzed in through the front door, which is adjacent to, and visible from the office in each building ... and it's been that way since my oldest child (who is now in his early 30's) was in high school ...

 

[RLENT]

Truly, how does a family or community deal with the next Adam Lanza?

Simple: avoid driving him nuts in the first place ...

As in:

EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap | Fox News

 

[RLENT]

No skin off my nose. That's your potential loss not my potential loss.

Trust me when I tell ya: If it is indeed a loss (which I don't actually think it is), it's one I'm quite sure I'll be able to live with ...

 

[LDB]

Well, since you don't know what it is you don't know, you don't know. But since you are blissful that's all that matters.

 

[RLENT]

Well, since you don't know what it is you don't know, you don't know.

Well ... it's certainly true that I don't know everything that I don't know ... of course, that same premise is undoubtedly true for you yourself, and everyone else ...

So your comment is sort of a rather mindless and inane profundity at best ... and is rather devoid of much in the way of any real intellectual value ...

The fact of the matter is this: when I get the idea of you (specifically) as a citizen ... "armed and dangerous" ... on the premises of a school, a certain picture pops into my head - something kinda along these lines:

But since you are blissful that's all that matters.

Oh ... I'm not particularly blissful ... but I am less concerned ... and somewhat relieved knowing that there is an individual (you) - a person, who as far as I know, possesses no military or law enforcement training (being 8th grade hall monitor doesn't count BTW) - that is likely not permitted to be on the grounds of most local schools in America while armed ...

Your own itchiness to personally mete out what you perceive to be "justice" (regardless of the rule of law, due process, and the rights of the accused) is an immediate disqualifying factor in my opinion.

The heads of school-age email spammers will all no doubt rest easier ... and, as a consequence, they may actually live long enough to learn the error of their ways ...

 

[skyraider]

I was doing ok tell I got to the word profundity:nowledge or erudition or enlightenment
2. profundity - intellectual depth; penetrating knowledge; keen insight; etc; "the depth of my feeling"; "the profoundness of the silence"
profoundness
depth - degree of psychological or intellectual profundity
shallowness, superficiality - lack of depth of knowledge or thought or feeling
3. profundity - the intellectual ability to penetrate deeply into ideas
deepness, astuteness, profoundness, depth
sapience, wisdom - ability to apply knowledge or experience or understanding or common sense and insight.

Ok, now I'm good to go, but I'm learning to keep my definition button going when Mr. Relent writes something.