It appears likely GWB took the US to war in Iraq primarily to even an old score with Saddam Hussein. Unfortunately, the weapons of mass destruction( given as causus belli) never really materialized. In the emotional furor immediately following the Sept 11th attacks, many Americans were demanding a war response. Maybe there were WMD, maybe not. We were too easily led to war in Iraq.
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Humble2drive
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Perhaps to understand how Americans were led into the war, it helps to revisit some of the statements from our leaders and the public response to them:
Public Reaction: What is that lunatic talking about now?
Public Reaction: Dick who? Isn't he the guy who shot that other guy and had a bunch of heart attacks. I don't trust him.
Public Reaction: Huh? Where's the remote?
Public Reaction: WHAT! This guy don't lie! Them towel heads is fixin to bomb our azz! Let's get em first! Go Prez, give it to em good!
Like the shelled one says: You just can't make this stuff up.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Just checking in to see if the definitive and irrefutable "How Lying To The American People To Enable Going To War In Iraq Defended The Constitution" white paper has been posted yet ...
Apparently, given the time being taken to construct this tome, it promises to be a real tour-de-force of patriotic intellectualism ...
... anyone, anyone ... Bueller ?
I dunno ... maybe someone just forgot it and left it behind on the Mayflower ...
Apparently, given the time being taken to construct this tome, it promises to be a real tour-de-force of patriotic intellectualism ...
... anyone, anyone ... Bueller ?
I dunno ... maybe someone just forgot it and left it behind on the Mayflower ...
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
It was hidden with WMDs. Be patient, we should find them any day now. I lost my keys one time and could swear they disappeared but . . .
paullud
Veteran Expediter
It was hidden with WMDs. Be patient, we should find them any day now. I lost my keys one time and could swear they disappeared but . . .
Please do a Google search for "WMD found in Iraq" or look at Wikileaks, both will confirm you are wrong.
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Did you notice the
Yes I did and you made the comment that a paper that isn't real is hidden with the WMD's that are real and have been found.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Sure seems that way don't it ?
What does that tell us about the "nature of men" ... even when said men ideologically meet with our political approval ?
Regardless of whether there were or there weren't, it really doesn't make any difference - the mere existence of WMD's in Iraq's possession wouldn't have constituted a legitimate causus belli ...
Seeing a (so-called) "conservative" - one who undoubtedly believes in the fundamental right of self-defense - argue that it would have, would no doubt be highly entertaining however ...
And you think government "propaganda" (lies and misinformation) is "good" ?
Seriously ?
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
"Maybe there were WMD, maybe there wasn't" seems to be a pretty pathetic statement in regards to a reason for entering into war.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
The "WMD's" that you refer to were already known about, prior to the start of festivities ...
AFAIK, there were no large caches of previously unknown WMD's found (that there might be unknown WMD's was part of the lie in order to sell the war)
And AFAIK, all remnants of the WMD's that you are referring to, that were located during/after the war, were in a degraded state and essentially no longer functional ...
IOW: "WMD's in Iraq" was a lie ...
So please don't carelessly contribute to the furtherance of a lie.
Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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They were found!? Who's got em? Did they find the paper? How bout my keys?
Yep, they found 'em! Syria has them. The paper is in the bathroom and you locked your keys in the trunk.
paullud
Veteran Expediter
They were found!? Who's got em? Did they find the paper? How bout my keys?
They were found in Iraq as well as Syria and one of Saddam's generals stated they started moving them there. Please for the love of God just do a Google search on it or look at Wikileaks. If you don't want to believe the media, yes even the liberal media reported on it, I can tell you that my brother went over twice and my cousin 3 times and they know beyond a shadow of a doubt WMD's were found.
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Do your own search rather than just relying on a single site, there were more than just the degraded ones found.
" I can tell you that my brother went over twice and my cousin 3 times and they know beyond a shadow of a doubt WMD's were found."
The same can be said for my son, my nephew and all of those guys who were up at my hunting camp.
The movement into Syria, starting about 18 months prior to our going in, was well known.
The same can be said for my son, my nephew and all of those guys who were up at my hunting camp.
The movement into Syria, starting about 18 months prior to our going in, was well known.
paullud
Veteran Expediter
But wouldn't you rather take the word of people that weren't there and that are arguing against facts begrudgingly reported by the liberal media, or documents that were leaked to and posted by a website that loves making the government look bad?
MMMMMM Let's see, that is a tough one to be sure. I am thinking it over, mmmmmmmmmmm NOPE!
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I could spend the next week (or year) rummaging around on the internet ... sorting through all the political hack sites and blogs that misappropriate/misuse/twist some (legitimate) info to serve their own ends ... of misleading others on the matter.
Why don't you just share the site(s) you're relying on as evidence of your claim ?
Or point directly to the actual Wikileaks docs that you believe support your contention ...
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
The veracity of your statements, and your credibility, are questionable ... at best ...