nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
maybe the future isn't as far off as we think....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM
this is amazing
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maybe the future isn't as far off as we think....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM
It's called a hydrogen fuel cell. Any ionic compound works, such as salt (calcium chloride), or baking soda (calcium carbonate), or lye (sodium hydroxide).
When salt is used, hydrogen gas is released at the cathode (positive terminal) and chlorine gas and oxygen is released at the anode (negative terminal). Electrolysis isn't exactly the most efficient was to produce hydrogen, but it's certainly one of the easiest.
When salt is used, hydrogen gas is released at the cathode (positive terminal) and chlorine gas and oxygen is released at the anode (negative terminal). Electrolysis isn't exactly the most efficient was to produce hydrogen, but it's certainly one of the easiest.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
About a year ago, someone posted about an engine that runs on water. I think the ability is out there, but there's no way to tax water. So therefore, the government wants nothing to do with it.
Apparently, this guy is getting a little more welcome in DC.
YouTube - Water powered engine
Apparently, this guy is getting a little more welcome in DC.
YouTube - Water powered engine
This stuff isn't new. It's not a matter of not being able to tax water, it's a matter of how much energy you have to put into the water to get the hydrogen energy out. Hydrogen Technologies (dood in the video) are the first ones to truly make a breakthrough in energy efficient electrolysis. They or others will make further improvements and sooner or later we'll be there. Hydrogen is the most abundant substance in the universe. Might as well use it. Certainly makes more sense than growing food and using it for fuel.
Tennesseahawk
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
I looked through the list, and it looks awful familiar.
I know one 'invention' is not an invention but something that has been known for a long time - Brown Gas. It is a combination of O2 and H that is combined after electrolysis. The generators that are sold (leased) to trucking companies and truckers that claim higher mileage are simple Brown Gas generators. Yul Brown also lives in California.
I like the one about using Calcium chloride, what they used to power headlamps with until they fixed the electric lamp. This was used to power some machinery and known for a long time.
My question is why would someone like Fish or Pouge invent something that would make gas force gas prices up because demand would drop. The oil companies in all honestly would want to see a 100 mpg car, they could pull back exploration (saving money), reduce transportation cost (saving money), reduce refining cost (saving money) and raise the price beyond 15 cents a gallon, wow could even raise it to 45 cent a gallon. I dont buy into the depression inventions because at that time an awful lot of people were looking for some sort of way to get by, by inventing something and making market for it.
The same goes for the steam inventions, no where did I see a name of Dr. Minton, I see that the site claims Oliver Yunick invented the same thing like 5 years later or the case of John Keely, developed a magnetic car in the 1920's - yea right, he was kind of dead since 1898. But there was a magnetic car created, it was called an Owens Magnetic. Reading down the list, I see they left out the guys who invented the AIR car that is going into production in France. See the french government knows how to get things rolling.
Oh and speaking of steam, there was a lot of work done from the 50's to the mid 70's on steam, most of it was based on Abner Doble's work of the 10's through the 30's. Amazing that much of what we have today is related to his work.
Man can't change nature or Physics. If we could, then we would have a perfect world with free energy. Thank God we don't
Oh Turtle, you know we have a food shortage but some think tank looked at what is going on and said, "Wow, this is about rice and wheat, not corn" and then they said "we have had a serious shortage of wheat not for 6 years". I looked around on my way through Ohio and I see a lot of land that an be used to farm Corn, Wheat and Rice. It is all up for sale to build housing, maybe we have our priorities a bit screwed up, lets build farms, not government subsidized Toll brothers/Pultey homes.
I know one 'invention' is not an invention but something that has been known for a long time - Brown Gas. It is a combination of O2 and H that is combined after electrolysis. The generators that are sold (leased) to trucking companies and truckers that claim higher mileage are simple Brown Gas generators. Yul Brown also lives in California.
I like the one about using Calcium chloride, what they used to power headlamps with until they fixed the electric lamp. This was used to power some machinery and known for a long time.
My question is why would someone like Fish or Pouge invent something that would make gas force gas prices up because demand would drop. The oil companies in all honestly would want to see a 100 mpg car, they could pull back exploration (saving money), reduce transportation cost (saving money), reduce refining cost (saving money) and raise the price beyond 15 cents a gallon, wow could even raise it to 45 cent a gallon. I dont buy into the depression inventions because at that time an awful lot of people were looking for some sort of way to get by, by inventing something and making market for it.
The same goes for the steam inventions, no where did I see a name of Dr. Minton, I see that the site claims Oliver Yunick invented the same thing like 5 years later or the case of John Keely, developed a magnetic car in the 1920's - yea right, he was kind of dead since 1898. But there was a magnetic car created, it was called an Owens Magnetic. Reading down the list, I see they left out the guys who invented the AIR car that is going into production in France. See the french government knows how to get things rolling.
Oh and speaking of steam, there was a lot of work done from the 50's to the mid 70's on steam, most of it was based on Abner Doble's work of the 10's through the 30's. Amazing that much of what we have today is related to his work.
Man can't change nature or Physics. If we could, then we would have a perfect world with free energy. Thank God we don't
Oh Turtle, you know we have a food shortage but some think tank looked at what is going on and said, "Wow, this is about rice and wheat, not corn" and then they said "we have had a serious shortage of wheat not for 6 years". I looked around on my way through Ohio and I see a lot of land that an be used to farm Corn, Wheat and Rice. It is all up for sale to build housing, maybe we have our priorities a bit screwed up, lets build farms, not government subsidized Toll brothers/Pultey homes.
Just read a little while ago that in California, New York and in parts of New England that they have food rationing going on. Mostly rice and flour, where people are limited to a single 20 pound bag. It's mostly the larger stores, like Costco, than the smaller stores. Part of that is bakeries who's suppliers suddenly doubled the price of rice and flour. But it somewhat parallels the riots in other parts of the world over food prices.
Funny thing is, the "experts", whoever they are, have actually come out and fessed up, saying that growing food for fuel is actually bad for the environment, far worse than what is gained by burning biofuels. Whole forests are being cleared to grow food for fuel, not to mention it takes more energy to extract the biofuels than the biofuels produce.
Which brings me to the world-wide conspiracy to suppress hydrogen powered cars that can run forever on a cup of water. Like was mentioned, you can't change the laws of physics, and the Law Conservation of Energy states energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It takes far more energy to extract the hydrogen than you get out of it.
You can't get something for nothing, and everyone who keep "inventing" the same miracle that is taught in 8th grade science class keeps running into the same laws of physics that is taught in high school physics.
Funny thing is, the "experts", whoever they are, have actually come out and fessed up, saying that growing food for fuel is actually bad for the environment, far worse than what is gained by burning biofuels. Whole forests are being cleared to grow food for fuel, not to mention it takes more energy to extract the biofuels than the biofuels produce.
Which brings me to the world-wide conspiracy to suppress hydrogen powered cars that can run forever on a cup of water. Like was mentioned, you can't change the laws of physics, and the Law Conservation of Energy states energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It takes far more energy to extract the hydrogen than you get out of it.
You can't get something for nothing, and everyone who keep "inventing" the same miracle that is taught in 8th grade science class keeps running into the same laws of physics that is taught in high school physics.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
But this brings me to another point, where are the forests being cleared? I don't see or hear anything that we are doing wholesale destruction to our forests, or did Ted Turner and them Hollywood ranchers decide to clear off millions of acres of land to grow corn? you know the crowd that drives hybrids to work in the most earth destructive industry man has ever created.
I think we are seeing clearing of forests in South America, but what difference does that make, they are providing us with corn.
As for Costco, it is not that there are real shortages but the people are either stocking up in case (you know those immigrants who know what starvation is like) or they are sending food back home to help their relatives.
You know it is still amazing to me, maybe I missed something here but once the average large farm was 600 acres, we fed the world but now we have farms the size of Rhode Island and we have shortages. Maybe we need to seriously look at the 1920's farm controls and see if it is not time to stop with the BS and get farming back to growing food and things we need.
The forests are being cleared in Central America, South America, Southeast Asia, Africa and other parts of the world.
It has been found that up to nine times as much carbon dioxide will be emitted by biofuels compared to conventional gasoline and diesel because biofuel crops are typically grown on land which is burnt and reclaimed from tropical forests.
Studies Say Clearing Land for Biofuels Will Aid Warming
Discovery News : Discovery Channel
It has been found that up to nine times as much carbon dioxide will be emitted by biofuels compared to conventional gasoline and diesel because biofuel crops are typically grown on land which is burnt and reclaimed from tropical forests.
Studies Say Clearing Land for Biofuels Will Aid Warming
Discovery News : Discovery Channel
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well I guess if the UN and the EU wants to do something about it, then they would promote farming in places that can sustain it.
I think it is funny that on the list of problems the world is facing is what they have been doing in the middle east, making the desert into farms - desalinization seems to work there, why not here?
I am not too concern with what we can do or can't do until we have accurate models of what is going on and that these 'experts' start acknowledging the fact that the earth goes through warming and cooling periods.
Global Warming/climate change is a natural thing and unless we, man know how to control the sun and moon and all the weather, we can't stop a thing.
Beside what we are doing with ethanol is still not as bad as India and China's output of CO2.
What is really sad is the money being made from the fear of all of this and how the schools have created another form of Hitler youth type people, where instead of indoctrination of the kids for fascist ideology, we are indoctrinating them into a form of fear ideology.
Mount St Helens put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in one day than man has, ever. Other eruptions have made St Helens look like a hiccup. I do find it interesting that, at the urging of the UN, the Climate Change scientific community no longer uses water vapor as a factor in Climate Change. Water vapor is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas (everything else combined is hardly a factor when compared to water vapor), but since water vapor is largely under the control of the world's oceans and not in the control of man, it was decided that the attention should only be focused on what man can control, and leave water vapor completely out of the equation.
One of the more interesting aspects of Global Warming is the subtle morphing of the term into Climate Change. Neither Global nor Warming strike fear into the hearts and minds of the populace. Global, no one lives there, and Warming, that's a gradual thing. Over the last few years it's become Climate Change, because everyone knows what their Climate is, and no one wants it to change. But even that's not fearful enough. Some want the term to become Global Climate Disruption.
In any case, there is no question the Earth is warming, going through changes. But what they are doing is trying to blame man for something that will happen regardless. The computer models are all flawed, even the modelers will admit that, especially in light of the fact that water vapor has been removed from the equation, so it's hard to believe that any scientific conclusion can be trusted insofar as man's culpability in the matter, much less to what degree. They have formulated a theory, and they gather up all the evidence they can find to support it, while at the same time dismissing evidence that doesn't support it (kind of like what Bush did to get us into Iraq, actually), and it's junk science.
If you take a look at all of the solutions to curb or slow down Climate Change, most of them point right at the money, and at who has it.
One of the more interesting aspects of Global Warming is the subtle morphing of the term into Climate Change. Neither Global nor Warming strike fear into the hearts and minds of the populace. Global, no one lives there, and Warming, that's a gradual thing. Over the last few years it's become Climate Change, because everyone knows what their Climate is, and no one wants it to change. But even that's not fearful enough. Some want the term to become Global Climate Disruption.
In any case, there is no question the Earth is warming, going through changes. But what they are doing is trying to blame man for something that will happen regardless. The computer models are all flawed, even the modelers will admit that, especially in light of the fact that water vapor has been removed from the equation, so it's hard to believe that any scientific conclusion can be trusted insofar as man's culpability in the matter, much less to what degree. They have formulated a theory, and they gather up all the evidence they can find to support it, while at the same time dismissing evidence that doesn't support it (kind of like what Bush did to get us into Iraq, actually), and it's junk science.
If you take a look at all of the solutions to curb or slow down Climate Change, most of them point right at the money, and at who has it.
Falligator
Expert Expediter
This technology is absolutely "Amazing". If this guy can run a 1994 car off of water than certainly, we should be looking into this fuel alternative. It's a no brainer. Why haven't I heard about this on CNN. It's definitely cool. The only downside...how would it affect the car's performance? How much would it cost for this technology to be put into our cars? It doesn't seem like a whole lot considering we could ween ourselves off of OPEC.
If anyone reads this: I'd be more than willing to use my van as a test experiment....lol
If anyone reads this: I'd be more than willing to use my van as a test experiment....lol
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pelicn
Veteran Expediter
I make my apologies in advance for this stupid question, science was never my strong suit 
If we were to go to Hydrogen powered vehicles that produced water instead of emissions, what would that do to the environment? Would AZ become a hot humid climate? Would the colder climates have snow all the time? Wouldn't the excess water vapor have some sort of ill effect?
If we were to go to Hydrogen powered vehicles that produced water instead of emissions, what would that do to the environment? Would AZ become a hot humid climate? Would the colder climates have snow all the time? Wouldn't the excess water vapor have some sort of ill effect?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well I'm laughing my a** off, I just watched the You Tube video, Denny Klein didn't invent nothing. I can see a big hole in the patent system, patenting inventions that were already being used.
He, and a couple of others have had cars on the road claiming that they run better, get great gas mileage (like 60 mpg) or run on their own. Only one was ever tested by a real lab and that one never made it close to any claims. When you are testing, seriously testing things, you don't measure fuel economy by putting fuel in the gas tank and then filling it up again.
You know the difference is that this process uses a Catalyst with pulsed voltage to induce more electrolysis, if I am not mistaken a potassium based catalyst. Somewhere I got the plans for it at home, they came out of my Physics class back in 1984.
It is not just about water, the energy in does not equal or surpass the energy out.
pelicn,
I think you may be right. AZ would be more humid, remember the environmentalist are complaining about Las Vegas being too humid for the desert life. As for the colder regions, well I think that would also be a possibility but again if we use the same models as ALGORE and his bunch, we may be in an ice age in 10 years.
He, and a couple of others have had cars on the road claiming that they run better, get great gas mileage (like 60 mpg) or run on their own. Only one was ever tested by a real lab and that one never made it close to any claims. When you are testing, seriously testing things, you don't measure fuel economy by putting fuel in the gas tank and then filling it up again.
You know the difference is that this process uses a Catalyst with pulsed voltage to induce more electrolysis, if I am not mistaken a potassium based catalyst. Somewhere I got the plans for it at home, they came out of my Physics class back in 1984.
It is not just about water, the energy in does not equal or surpass the energy out.
pelicn,
I think you may be right. AZ would be more humid, remember the environmentalist are complaining about Las Vegas being too humid for the desert life. As for the colder regions, well I think that would also be a possibility but again if we use the same models as ALGORE and his bunch, we may be in an ice age in 10 years.
Oh NOOOOO, someone will drive their salt water power car in the Gulf and set it on fire!!
We'er D O O M E D!!
We'er D O O M E D!!
Falligator
Expert Expediter
Hmmmmm....never thought of it that way...good point..
Check this out, some guy in AR is using the Brown Gas (HHO) technique in his big rig claiming 20+% better fuel econ. Looks interesting enough to try and currently a movement of some 10,000 or so trying it out. Editor claims technology has been around 90 yrs. Any takers to sponsor Falligator to test on his van? disclosure; not promoting sale of e-book in any shape or form and have not tried personally tried it.
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retidepxe
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
I bet you my truck that the book he is selling is the same one that was written about 50 years ago, OR taking directly from that book about producing Hydrogen gas.
There are a lot of things that can help produce better mileage, but at what cost? The system describe by all of these guys are based on simple extraction of hydrogen and some use a catylist, some use electronics to regulate the voltage and current and some use a combination of the two but they are all the same.
Propane has the same effect by the way, it allows the diesel to burn more completely and hydrogen is a bit more easily handled with an on board generator opposed to a big propane tank.
AND
The generator is rather easy to build, you don't use mason jars in a milk crate strapped to the inner fender well but you can use PVC pipe (someone at Ford did it with a pop bottle and two wires). I got a bunch of plans for these things and how to build them, given to me by someone who was testing them out for a company here. They are all the same.
But always remember that this takes electricity, so if the system is not setup right, you will draw 100 amps and at 14 volts, that is about 1400 watts and that takes energy to create, nothing is for free.
There are a lot of things that can help produce better mileage, but at what cost? The system describe by all of these guys are based on simple extraction of hydrogen and some use a catylist, some use electronics to regulate the voltage and current and some use a combination of the two but they are all the same.
Propane has the same effect by the way, it allows the diesel to burn more completely and hydrogen is a bit more easily handled with an on board generator opposed to a big propane tank.
AND
The generator is rather easy to build, you don't use mason jars in a milk crate strapped to the inner fender well but you can use PVC pipe (someone at Ford did it with a pop bottle and two wires). I got a bunch of plans for these things and how to build them, given to me by someone who was testing them out for a company here. They are all the same.
But always remember that this takes electricity, so if the system is not setup right, you will draw 100 amps and at 14 volts, that is about 1400 watts and that takes energy to create, nothing is for free.