This Guy gets It!!

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
He won't talk about the socialist/facist agenda because he is up on the hill, but that is want is behind his comments if you read between the lines...ie the reference to Hitler...


GOP senator: People have lost confidence in gov't
Aug 16 11:29 AM US/Eastern
GOP senator: People have lost confidence in gov't


WASHINGTON (AP) - An Oklahoma senator says the angry tone of the health care debate is the result of people losing confidence in government.
Republican Sen. Tom Coburn says the government has earned that loss of confidence.

At times during protests, critics of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul have likened him to Adolf Hitler.

Coburn calls health care a symptom of the debate over an uncontrolled federal government. He says unchecked spending by Congress has raised the question of whether lawmakers are legitimately thinking about the American people and their long-term best interests.

Coburn appeared Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
You could equate your highlighted quotes to Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, George III, Henry VIII, Louis XIV, the Bolsheviks, or just about any other dictator or monarch. Therein lies the problem... we are a republic!
 

davidcal

Seasoned Expediter
Do you support the current status quo of the insurance companies getting richer by praying on someone's health. The way that republicans are attackig Pres Obama seems to me that they are defending their own interest on the insurance companys.
I am well informed about the proposed changes but I get informed by checking on the current information available to the public. My source for information is not word of mouth or Fox News or crappy politicians distorting the truth. Not all changes are bad.
When comparing the current administration to the Nazis you are saying that the scientific community will be like the German Socialist Party of the early 1920. As far as I know there are no doctors that can be compared to the practicioners of the Rassenhygiene (Racial Hygiene). Rest assured that in this country there are no doctors like Gobineau (1853 Essay on the inequality of the human races) or ALfred Ploetz, or in USA Samuel George Morton.
The opposing political party went so low on the attacks (just to benefit their own interest) that they are not ashamed on suggesting that Eugenics will be included in the bill.
My friend, before applauding someone comments, get informed, If not those politician will keep praying on the public's ignorance
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Do you support the current status quo of the insurance companies getting richer by praying on someone's health. The way that republicans are attackig Pres Obama seems to me that they are defending their own interest on the insurance companys.
I am well informed about the proposed changes but I get informed by checking on the current information available to the public. My source for information is not word of mouth or Fox News or crappy politicians distorting the truth. Not all changes are bad.
When comparing the current administration to the Nazis you are saying that the scientific community will be like the German Socialist Party of the early 1920. As far as I know there are no doctors that can be compared to the practicioners of the Rassenhygiene (Racial Hygiene). Rest assured that in this country there are no doctors like Gobineau (1853 Essay on the inequality of the human races) or ALfred Ploetz, or in USA Samuel George Morton.
The opposing political party went so low on the attacks (just to benefit their own interest) that they are not ashamed on suggesting that Eugenics will be included in the bill.
My friend, before applauding someone comments, get informed, If not those politician will keep praying on the public's ignorance

I do not support the status quo of the health care system, I don't think ANYONE that opposes this thing is trying to say that changes aren't needed.

I can be counted as one that regularly attacks Obama on health care and other issues, however, I have no interest ($$$$) in the insurance companies and I'm sure the same can be said of the protesters you're seeing in these town halls.

You, my friend, are buying into the myth that this whole thing is being organized by the republican party when, in reality, these people are just simple folks like most here on this forum. I'll go so far as to say that IMHO, this is about more than just health care. This is a culmination of over a year (yes, even with Boooosh, as THE lefties like to regurgitate) of government bailouts, give-aways, pork laden stimulus, etc, etc. The people HAVE HAD IT with the government interference in their lives, the spending that goes into their children and their grandchildren's future.

Now, before you come in here, with your THIRD post, and tell the good folks to "get informed" and implying that we have any measure of ignorance here for ANY politician to prey (not pray) on.....YOU might want to inform YOURSELF by reading some of the archives of posts here in the soapbox.....you might just be surprised at just how smart some of us "dumb truck drivers" really are.
 
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dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
The opposing political party went so low on the attacks (just to benefit their own interest) that they are not ashamed on suggesting that Eugenics will be included in the bill.

Just to benefit their own interests you say?? Well, it's in MY best interest to reject anything that comes even close to eugenics.

If there isn't enough money to pay for this monstrosity, there WILL BE RATIONING, there's no other way to explain how this thing will work, regardless of how the administration wants to spin it.

Now, if there's rationing, what would be the criteria for who gets what? It can't be decided by race, as have so many policies in the past, using affirmative action, it would have to be decided by who is the most "viable" candidate for which procedures.

When the President of the United States has the audacity to stand before us and declare that maybe Grandma should "take a pill" instead of receiving whichever procedure you want to insert.....there's a problem.....you can't see that?

Now, let's go to the other end of that....what about all of these tiny babies in the NICU's.......most are viable, AFTER they receive weeks, if not months of care. You'd like me to trust that the government "panels", some have suggested as little as five people, will not deem these angels not viable and let them die? Before you answer that, remember that as a state senator, Obama voted AGAINST extending care to a surviving baby of a botched abortion. Now, you want me to NOT make a short leap over to the needs of the premature babies?

So, if we're rationing these preemies OUT OF THE SYSTEM......what do you call that......isn't that basically eugenics?
 

davidcal

Seasoned Expediter
thanks for the replies. At not time I am calling anyone ignorant. I just mention to get the information from the right sources and not from the public media (fox, rush, msnbc, cnn). I do not have to agree with them because they are tied to particular interests.
By the way I am not a "lefty", just because I expressed a different opinion am I "regurtating"?. When a person reacts with epithets or name calling is showing signs of intolerance to someone with a different point of view, in other words that is the way people with lack of argument react to a different view.
Just because I am not of a particular political affiliation I can not disagree with anyone? In a discussion when you call names to the oppossing view, you are closing the doors for a smart discussion.
What I see in this forum are not just "dumb *** truck drivers", what I see is people that love this country more than the crooked politicians that are today in power. They have an agenda and they will use you and me if we do not get educated and informed about their actions.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Of course you can disagree, even when you are wrong!! LOL!! Just remember, in this Republic the Federal Government is limited in power to only what is allowed in the Constitution. Health care is NOT listed there as a government job. That is how it should be. We are NOT a democracy, we are a Republic.
 

davidcal

Seasoned Expediter
Of course you can disagree, even when you are wrong!! LOL!! Just remember, in this Republic the Federal Government is limited in power to only what is allowed in the Constitution. Health care is NOT listed there as a government job. That is how it should be. We are NOT a democracy, we are a Republic.
Layoutshooter: you killed me, lol. Health care is not a right. It is not even a benefit your employer provides to you. It is just plain wage compensation, however, there are people that need some help and, is it not the Government "For the People"?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The ONLY LEGAL, you do want LEGAL I assume, is to amend the Constitution to allow it. The feds are limited BY LAW on what they can do. The 10th amendment reinforces the articals that define the Federal Governments legal responsibilities. They are over-stepping their legal athority. Get out your copy of the Constitution and check it out. Even the "general welfare" clause is subject to within the bounds as laid out.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
I edited my post to read THE lefties instead of YOU lefties but I will not reverse my accusation that by saying this.....

My friend, before applauding someone comments, get informed, If not those politician will keep praying on the public's ignorance
you IMPLIED that YOU BELIEVE that some here are ignorant and uninformed.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I edited my post to read THE lefties instead of YOU lefties but I will not reverse my accusation that by saying this.....

you IMPLIED that YOU BELIEVE that some here are ignorant and uninformed.

HECK with the implied!!!...I'll go one step better..I DO believe some here are ignorant and uninformed...:eek:

Note: I can't say who..that would be in direct violation of the Code of Conduct...so don't even ask me who....
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
Of course you can disagree, even when you are wrong!! LOL!! Just remember, in this Republic the Federal Government is limited in power to only what is allowed in the Constitution. Health care is NOT listed there as a government job. That is how it should be. We are NOT a democracy, we are a Republic.


The Constitution doesn't mention capitalism or socialism either, leaving both of them open for debate...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't see where I mentioned capitolism or socialism. I just talked about what is in the Constitution. Health care is NOT listed as one of the very few government responsibilites. The 10th amendment makes it very clear that IF it is NOT written in the Constitution it is left to the States and the People.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
HECK with the implied!!!...I'll go one step better..I DO believe some here are ignorant and uninformed...:eek:

Speak for yourself, my friend.......:rolleyes:

Sorry Brudder, you made that one far too easy, it was there for the plucking. (as she reaches up pretending to pluck the apple out of the tree) :D
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
I don't see where I mentioned capitolism or socialism. I just talked about what is in the Constitution. Health care is NOT listed as one of the very few government responsibilites. The 10th amendment makes it very clear that IF it is NOT written in the Constitution it is left to the States and the People.

You didn't say anything about capitalism or socialism..this time. You did mention that healthcare is not mentioned in the constitution and since it it's not in the constitution it does not involve the goverment. I am saying, yes, that is correct. I followed that up with the reference to capitalism and socialism because they too are not mentioned in the constitution. You and your crew harp on and on about how socialism is so un-american, when in reality,neither capitalism or socialism have anything at all to do with being american, if I use the same reasoning you are using toward healthcare...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't like socialism because I lived in a socialist country for 5 years and saw the effects it has on the human spirit. It kills it. I lived on a National health system for 5 years, a system similar to if not exactly what Barry wanted to put in here. I DON't want it. I know the reality. Mankind does best when left to his own resources, faced with heavy challenges and allowed to resolve them himself. THAT is how man is MEANT to live. No REAL MAN looks to be kept or cared for. Lazy is NOT a pretty thing.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
the constitution doesn't mention capitalism or socialism...but it does mention that the people have the right to pursue Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiest...and socialism does none of those...without government interference....the constitution was setup to limit the rights of the fed gov and socialism expands that power of the gov...the constitution also made it clear that anything not give to the fed gov belonged to the states...something else socialism will never tolerate....
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
I don't like socialism because I lived in a socialist country for 5 years and saw the effects it has on the human spirit. It kills it. I lived on a National health system for 5 years, a system similar to if not exactly what Barry wanted to put in here. I DON't want it. I know the reality. Mankind does best when left to his own resources, faced with heavy challenges and allowed to resolve them himself. THAT is how man is MEANT to live. No REAL MAN looks to be kept or cared for. Lazy is NOT a pretty thing.

I don't want it either. As usual you totally missed the point and defaulted immediately to ranting about what YOU did and what YOU saw...I guess it's all about you...
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
letz wrote:

I guess it's all about you...

Sure it is...thats what opinions are...and i vaguely rememebr you posting not too long ago that most of the things you post are just that...your opinions... so i guess it is all about you too....:rolleyes:
 
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