The war on the West thru Christmas

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Oops that was a mistake...I meant prejudice. Talking, typing and multi tasking gets me in trouble everytime.
Now that it's corrected...bye! I'm not arguing with you because I doubt after your horrible statements that you'll change your narrow view, it's a waste of my time. Some people enjoy being the problem, so enjoy!

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(

The word is "prejudiced," with a D at the end. When someone displays prejudice, they're being prejudiced. And all that means is pre-judging, as in judging before the facts are in, which doesn't apply here, because the facts are in.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
Prejudice [ prej-uh-dis ]

noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. 2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. 3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

Please see number 3...

And by all means keep trying to get one over on me all you like...
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
I love how you focus on my little blurb but completely disregard the rather long arguments (and quite good arguments if I say so myself) Turtle makes...you guys make me special, ganging up on me must really get your rocks off.

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Sorry, no. "I couldn't care less" literally means that it is impossible to care any less about something. Someone may indeed say such a thing sarcastically, but, irregardless, it's meaning is nonetheless absolute.
That's my point. When denigrating something, consigning it to the status of something to be lower than something to regard, it is correct to say, "I couldn't care less." To say the reverse says something is worth one's regard, which isn't what one says when one is making the point he was trying to make.
I assure you that I know the difference between the two, and when I say either one, I am not saying it out of ignorance. I say one to be precise, and I say the other when I want to be more sardonically sarcastic, but it either case, they both mean that I don't care - in the extreme - about something.
Then you're the only one. You're being intentionally nonsensical, which is great when you're doing the Who's On First bit, but poor communication otherwise.
As for Kwanzaa, well, which it's it? Fictitious or fraudulent? And why does it bother you that people want to celebrate it as a holiday?
Well, I guess fraudulent would be more accurate, seeing as it does exist. But to put it alongside Christmas is obscenely fraudulent, and putting it alongside Christmas, equating the two, is what bothers me about it. Had the inventor of it put it in, say, March or July, and not tried to say, "This is our Christmas, I could just roll my eyes and chuckle at it. If you read the history of it, you can't help but be offended when its practitioners promote it as another Christmas, unless you're an iconoclast like Namaste.
Regarding this never-changing, set-in-stone Western Culture that you seem to think everyone should be required to participate in,
Never said that.
the culture of the west in general and of America in particular has been evolving since well before Columbus confused the Caribbean with a whole 'nother continent. The civil observance as you remember from your childhood is not likely to ever happen again. The cultural base simply isn't the same anymore. 50 years from now people will be complaining that things should be more like it was back in the 2010s, the good old days when things were simpler.
I wish you weren't right about that. That's a lot like the discussions I have with Doug over at that other expediter forum about queer marriage and such. He says, "All you moralists are dying off. Pretty soon there won't be any of you left." I warn him that he's not going to like the way society looks when that happens, because social decay won't be limited to just that.
Similarly, I don't think any of us are going to like what society looks like if cultural decay continues. The Romans saw it happening to them and did nothing to stop it.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Prejudice [ prej-uh-dis ]

noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. 2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. 3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

Please see number 3...

And by all means keep trying to get one over on me all you like...

Yes, but you used the noun instead of the adjective. When using it in the sentence that way, you use the adjective, which has a D on the end.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I love how you focus on my little blurb but completely disregard the rather long arguments (and quite good arguments if I say so myself) Turtle makes...you guys make me special, ganging up on me must really get your rocks off.

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(

I didn't ignore anything. I've responded. Don't think I've missed anything.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The Romans saw it happening to them and did nothing to stop it.
Yet the world is still here, still turning on its axis, and we're all still here, too. There's nothing new under the sun. What goes around comes around. It's happened many times before, and it'll happen many times again. No point in getting too worked up over it, 'cause it's gonna happen regardless. Or, irregardless, if you like.
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Y'know, Christmas--- or any other holiday you choose to celebrate, or not celebrate as the case may be, will be a whole lot easier to celebrate if you get that stick removed from your posterior. I can think of a lot of things to get heated up about, but hearing "Happy Holidays" in a department store just isn't one of them. Especially when I hear that the reason for getting your nose out of joint is "western culture" and not "my faith is under attack". (My faith IS under attack in many of these on-line forums, but "Happy Holidays" is small potatoes when it comes to attacking the Christian faith and not worth getting excited about.)

Right now, I suspect the real problem is we've got a gent who makes it his mission in life to be unhappy. Now I've got some bad news, fella. It has to do with freedom of expression. The First Amendment grants freedom to everybody--- not just you. So, you don't get to force everybody to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays". They get to say what they want. Heck, I know some Jehovah's Witnesses who have nothing to do with ANY of the holidays and consider them all fraudulent, and I daresay they'll have a happier time of it than you will if you get your nose bent out of joint over this.

So--- Happy Thanksweenmas, and pass the cranberry sauce.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Well may I be the first to wish everyone a "Happy Holiday Season"

And those of you that don't celebrate the Holidays...... Have a "Merry Christmas"
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The word is "prejudiced," with a D at the end. When someone displays prejudice, they're being prejudiced. And all that means is pre-judging, as in judging before the facts are in, which doesn't apply here, because the facts are in.

What facts are you referring to, real or imagined?

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mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Now I have to sift facts to determine if someone who says "Happy holidays" is really wishing me a happy holiday or if maybe they're trying to attack Western Culture. Seems if I wanted to attack Western Culture, I'd choose some more sure way of going about it. A holiday greeting that gets said mindlessly by many people would not be the best, sure-fire way to go about it.

I've got a better idea: How about finding something else more profitable to get exercised about?
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Now I have to sift facts to determine if someone who says "Happy holidays" is really wishing me a happy holiday or if maybe they're trying to attack Western Culture. Seems if I wanted to attack Western Culture, I'd choose some more sure way of going about it. A holiday greeting that gets said mindlessly by many people would not be the best, sure-fire way to go about it.
Oh, I dunno...it's kind of like one of those Paul Harvey "Things I'd Do If I Wanted To Destroy America." Diluting our culture may be subtle, but it erodes us from underneath. Remember, a nation = BORDERS/LANGUAGE/CULTURE.
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Diluting our culture may be subtle, but it erodes us from underneath. Remember, a nation = BORDERS/LANGUAGE/CULTURE.
Diluting our culture? Are you saying that a culture should never change, that it should always remain the same? I realize that you've never stated as much, but that's what your statement continue to imply. Diluting, eroding, are both causes of change. Since you don't want things to dilute or erode, one can reasonably infer that you don't want things to change, that you want things to remain they way they were before they were diluted and eroded. By definition and by application, a culture is the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group. People change many of their behaviors and beliefs all the time, especially when those people comprise such a large group as a nation, and even more so when that group is an ever-changing nation of immigrants. Cultures change with every generation. They always have, they always will. There's nothing you can do about that. Well, other than employing the use of a well-placed stick, but it's effects are questionable.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Kwanzaa is real,....and the "gift giving tradition" of xmas ...was borrowed from Saternalia? Xmas tradition itself, is just alot of pagan winter solstice traditions mashed together...from Santa to the Misletoe.

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I'm thinking the OP deals with RECENT traditions, not those of praying to stone idols, or sacrificing virgins.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
No that's your culture it's what you do....it's not my culture it's not what I do. There are plenty of Americans who do not celebrate Christmas but another holiday whether it's Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Yule or whatever...matter of fact I don't hear them complaining that someone said Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, etc.
Why the panty bunch over being inclusive of other celebrations?

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(

You are incorrect. It is BECAUSE other name brand religions (and some no-name brands, such as paganism, and of course those atheist busy-bodies) whined and complained about that all-important but non-existent "separation of church and state"; and wanted the nativity scenes taken from the city halls across country.

Face it... the majority can't enjoy something in the public square because the vocal minority has to bytch and complain.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
For such a no name brand you sure like to steal our traditions and call them your own!
Of course you think the separation of church and state doesn't exist...what do I expect!

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
For such a no name brand you sure like to steal our traditions and call them your own!
Of course you think the separation of church and state doesn't exist...what do I expect!

)O( ~ Namaste ~ )O(

Since you assume to know me so well, you'll be surprised to know I'm not a Christian. But I do hold tradition dearly.

I don't know what you expect... maybe unicorns and fairies? Maybe utopia, since every Democrat politician has bread that into their followers. Show me where it says it in the Constitution, and I'll smoke a blunt with you.
 
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