The Trump Card...

Pilgrim

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I thought I laid it out so that it made sense. I guess not.
My only suggestion would be to learn as much about both candidates as you can, learn what their motivations have been historically. Then draw your own conclusions.
Since the mainstream media avoids thoroughly vetting Hillary's lengthy record of failures, her corrupt (and likely criminal) activities and the extreme liberal agenda she espouses most people aren't aware of it and/or don't understand it. Many younger voters aren't old enough to remember the Bill Clinton presidency, his term in office as Gov of Arkansas, or her term as NY senator. The Clintons are rotten to the core, and she has proven to be incompetent at every position she's ever held - even when she was First Lady and the projects she directed like HillaryCare.

One of the political pundits summed up our choices very succinctly: "A vote for Trump is like playing Russian roulette; a vote for Hillary is like putting a shotgun to your head and pulling the trigger".
 
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jujubeans

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Well, I have to admit, the following is some heavy thinking, but...........

It is my belief that Hillary Clinton will win a fixed "election" in November,

Then, sometime between November and January, Hillary will be indicted. The IRS is now investigating the Clinton Foundation and the whole e-mail thing isn't over yet.

Once under indictment she won't be able to assume the Office of the President in January. Tim Kaine, who will not actually be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated, cannot assume the Presidency.

The Speaker of the House can't move up to it because there is already a sitting President and Vice President.

So President Obama, in an Executive Order citing an emergency situation, gives himself another four years in office is the only way possible.

I also believe that Obama has been planning this for a while now, knowing he has enough on Hillary to indict her.

Had the Attorney General indicted her based on evidence from the FBI this plan wouldn't have worked because the DNC would have quickly come up with another candidate

If you think about it, its not that outrageous. Many people on the left, including the President, want Obama to stay another four years.

The law prohibits him from being re-elected so the only ways he can do it is by declaring martial law and suspending the election (which would be a very negative thing for the country) or to declare himself still President because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties. The latter makes more sense and is actually more feasible. And since its never been done before, it would set a precedent that would be difficult to challenge.

Of course, if Trump wins the election none of this is going to happen. But what if? Four more years of Obama and a mostly useless Republican House and Senate would give Obama the time he needs to continue destroying and changing the country to fit his stated goals.

Another very good reason to vote The Donald into the White House in November.
 

Windsor

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Is that's what it takes to convince someone on the fence to vote for trump? Sounds more like a script to a bad movie.
 

Turtle

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It is my belief that Hillary Clinton will win a fixed "election" in November,
A lot of people think that's absurd. The same people think that "voter fraud" only means voting more than once or impersonating a registered voter in order to vote. Those types of voter fraud are, like they all say, quite rare. The other types of voter fraud, like like manipulation of ballots by officials administering the election, such as tossing out ballots or casting ballots in voters' names, happens a lot more often than you'd think. We saw significant indications of that during the Democratic Primary elections and going back to the Bush-Gore presidential race. When more than a couple or three exit polls are off by more than the margin of error, it's a sure sign of voter fraud.

Once under indictment she won't be able to assume the Office of the President in January.
Why not? There's nothing in the Constitution that says someone is disqualified for being President if the are accused of a crime. The only eligibility requirements for serving as President, as stated in the Constitution, are that a candidate must be a natural-born citizen at least 35 years of age who has lived in the US for at least the last 14 years, and Hillary meets all those requirements. There is no regulation that disqualifies a presidential candidate who has been (prior to assuming the presidency) accused of a crime, convicted of a crime, or even incarcerated for a crime. In 1920, for example, Socialist Party candidate Eugene Debs ran for President from a federal penitentiary (where he had been incarcerated for urging resistance to the military draft) and still received over 900,000 votes (3.4%).

Tim Kaine, who will not actually be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated, cannot assume the Presidency.
Kaine will be the "Vice President Elect." The inauguration merely swears in the new president, but that isn't the moment that determines whether they are to become the president on Inauguration Day.

On Nov 8th we have the general election, where people vote not only for president and vice president, but also help choose the electors who will represent their state in the Electoral College.

On Dec 19th the Electors meet in each state to do the actual voting for President and Vice President on separate ballots.

On Jan 6th the Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The President of the Senate (the Vice President of the US), presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

If a candidate (Hillary) dies or becomes incapacitated (including withdrawing from the process) between the general election (Nov 8th) and the meeting of Electors (Dec 19th), under federal law, the Electors pledged to the deceased (or incapacitated) candidate may vote for the candidate (not person, but candidate, so Obama couldn't be included in that vote) of their choice at the meeting of Electors. The Electors pledges to Hillary could still vote for Hillary, but those votes would not be counted, or they could vote for Kaine, or Trump, or Jill Stein, even.

If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors (Dec 19th) and the counting of electoral votes in Congress (Jan 6th), the Constitution doesn't say a thing on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, then Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies, which states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

So President Obama, in an Executive Order citing an emergency situation, gives himself another four years in office is the only way possible.
Nothing in the Insurrection or Posse Comitatus Acts - which are the two laws a President may invoke to declare a state of martial law - contain provisions for putting an end to term limits. So, no. The Insurrection or Posse Comitatus Acts combined purpose is to give the Federal government authority to suppress insurrections and restore civilian rule where it’s been compromised, not further subvert it. As soon as civilian order is restored and government can continue, the troops must leave. More than that, the President is cannot invoke either of those Acts without the consent of the State(s) into which troops are to be deployed (Insurrection Act) or Congress for their use in a domestic law enforcement capacity (Posse Comitatus Act). Were Obama to script an Executive Order invoking one or both of those Acts and declare martial law to do away with the term limits to install himself as president for another 4 years, or for life, very, very, very few people in the military would follow such an unlawful order of sedition (ie, a conspiracy for the effective overthrow of the government). In fact, more than merely a duty to disobey an unlawful order, they would be duty-bound to fight back against the conspiracy. So if Obama were to pull such a stunt, his 3rd term probably wouldn't last a week before a swift military coup deposed him and restore the lawful civilian authorities.
 
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Windsor

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Whoever loses can just keep counting the votes over and over till it works out in their favor. Remember Florida?
 

Yowpuggy

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It's funny how these Republicans ignore the good candidates, voted for Trump now there're wishing for something bad to happen to Hillary so he can win.
 

blackpup

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If Donald Trump wins the Presidential election, I think it will be because quite a few unhappy blue collar workers voted for him, independent, democrats and republicans, even libertarians

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Turtle

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Whoever loses can just keep counting the votes over and over till it works out in their favor. Remember Florida?
Yep. Like Al Fraken in Minnesota. But you may or may not want to brush up on Florida, depending on which memory of history best soothes your soul - the accurate one of the one you choose to believe. Bush never lost in Florida, and never requested a recount. Just the opposite.

Because of the closeness of the original result (which Bush won), Florida law mandated a recount my machine. Which Bush again won. Gore then protested the results in 4 heavily Democratic counties and requested a manual recount. By statute those recounts had to be completed, certified and reported by 5PM on Nov 14th. Two counties sued to extend the deadline by 2 weeks.

Bush filed suit to deny the extension, mainly because those 2 counties, on the deadline date, decided they wanted to start over again from scratch and do another complete recount, and use different criteria for counting the overvotes (ballots with more than one candidate selected) and undervotes (ballots with no clear selection at all). Bush won those manual recounts, and the suit, so Gore appealed to the Florida Supreme Court (which consists of 7 justices, 4 Democrats and 3 Republicans). In a shocker, the Florida Supreme Court voted 4-3 to allow the two-week deadline extension to be extended yet another two weeks (from Nov 28th to Dec 11th) so they could perform the third manual recount.

On Dec 9th Bush asked the US Supreme Court to put a stop to the ad nauseum recount nonsense, knowing full well that if they kept recounting them enough times, using different criteria each time to count over and under votes, eventually those Democratic counties would indeed get the results they were looking for. The US Supreme Court issued an emergency stay to stop the counting, and then 3 days later they issued a 7-2 ruling that stopped the count, and said using different criteria for the recounts than is used in other counties violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.

At that point Gore finally conceded the election. Bush won by a margin of 537 votes, down from the original 1,784, and from the 1,266 from the first manual recount, and the 820 of the second manual recount. Another recount or two and Gore would have had it.
 
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Ragman

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Well, I have to admit, the following is some heavy thinking, but...........

It is my belief that Hillary Clinton will win a fixed "election" in November,

Then, sometime between November and January, Hillary will be indicted. The IRS is now investigating the Clinton Foundation and the whole e-mail thing isn't over yet.

Once under indictment she won't be able to assume the Office of the President in January. Tim Kaine, who will not actually be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated, cannot assume the Presidency.

The Speaker of the House can't move up to it because there is already a sitting President and Vice President.

So President Obama, in an Executive Order citing an emergency situation, gives himself another four years in office is the only way possible.

I also believe that Obama has been planning this for a while now, knowing he has enough on Hillary to indict her.

Had the Attorney General indicted her based on evidence from the FBI this plan wouldn't have worked because the DNC would have quickly come up with another candidate

If you think about it, its not that outrageous. Many people on the left, including the President, want Obama to stay another four years.

The law prohibits him from being re-elected so the only ways he can do it is by declaring martial law and suspending the election (which would be a very negative thing for the country) or to declare himself still President because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties. The latter makes more sense and is actually more feasible. And since its never been done before, it would set a precedent that would be difficult to challenge.

Of course, if Trump wins the election none of this is going to happen. But what if? Four more years of Obama and a mostly useless Republican House and Senate would give Obama the time he needs to continue destroying and changing the country to fit his stated goals.

Another very good reason to vote The Donald into the White House in November.
Juju!

Really now! ........

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Windsor

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Yep. Like Al Fraken in Minnesota. But you may or may not want to brush up on Florida, depending on which memory of history best soothes your soul - the accurate one of the one you choose to believe. Bush never lost in Florida, and never requested a recount. Just the opposite.

Because of the closeness of the original result (which Bush won), Florida law mandated a recount my machine. Which Bush again won. Gore then protested the results in 4 heavily Democratic counties and requested a manual recount. By statute those recounts had to be completed, certified and reported by 5PM on Nov 14th. Two counties sued to extend the deadline by 2 weeks.

Bush filed suit to deny the extension, mainly because those 2 counties, on the deadline date, decided they wanted to start over again from scratch and do another complete recount, and use different criteria for counting the overvotes (ballots with more than one candidate selected) and undervotes (ballots with no clear selection at all). Bush won those manual recounts, and the suit, so Gore appealed to the Florida Supreme Court (which consists of 7 justices, 4 Democrats and 3 Republicans). In a shocker, the Florida Supreme Court voted 4-3 to allow the two-week deadline extension to be extended yet another two weeks (from Nov 28th to Dec 11th) so they could perform the third manual recount.

On Dec 9th Bush asked the US Supreme Court to put a stop to the ad nauseum recount nonsense, knowing full well that if they kept recounting them enough times, using different criteria each time to count over and under votes, eventually those Democratic counties would indeed get the results they were looking for. The US Supreme Court issued an emergency stay to stop the counting, and then 3 days later they issued a 7-2 ruling that stopped the count, and said using different criteria for the recounts than is used in other counties violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.

At that point Gore finally conceded the election. Bush won by a margin of 537 votes, down from the original 1,784, and from the 1,266 from the first manual recount, and the 820 of the second manual recount. Another recount or two and Gore would have had it.

I never said Bush demanded a recount. I just said whoever loses can keep recounting votes like in Florida.
 

Moot

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Just listened to trumps speech. I'm no expert but maybe instead of going to a white community and talking about African Americans maybe he should go to an African American community and talk at them. Before everyone jumps down my throat it's not criticism its advise.
If he did that he'd be a Democrat again.
 

Turtle

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Trump needs to convince the Amish to vote. They hardly ever vote in national elections, maybe 10% or so , but when they do they are overwhelmingly Republicans.
 
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