The Trump Card...
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You all know that Hillary is gonna win. I won't be happy, but big money , corruption, and the strange /coincidental deaths of folks near to her is something to think about. Evil has a big jump and good people are few and far between. And the people turned away from God and went their evil ways, stand by.........Joe Biden Marries Gay White House Staffers, Makes..
To each is his own but the point is still this is the only choices we get? There isn't any better? Let's just start the 2020 election and skip this one....
Windsor
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Trump does a dam good job of making his self look bad with his constant asinine comments. Maybe a large part of the blame should be put on trump instead of just "they"
I could type out all the crazy crap he has said in the past year but I don't have four hours to spare. At this point I'm less concerned about what his comments mean, I don't even think he knows what he's saying half the time. And I'm not really concerned what "they" say he means. I'm more concerned as to why he can't stop himself from saying the stuff in the first place. He definitely does a lot of talking before thinking. "If we have nuclear weapons we should use them" WHAT???? He either doesn't realize or don't care that our enemies don't live on another planet.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
He said during an MSNBS town hall interview "why do we make them if we can't use them?" and a foreign policy advisor hired by trump said that during a briefing that trump said three different times "if we have them why can we use them?" A man running for president of the United States doesn't realize that we don't use nukes on our enemies. He don't realize that the reason we have them is to discourage our enemies from using nukes on us. His words are scary to any of us who enjoy living on this planet.
He actually didn't he just said he wouldn't rule any thing out.
It's not the choice you get, it's the choice you made.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
It's been a while since I heard the interview but I guess I heard a Donald Trump impersonator say "what do we make them for?"
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
I don't know about you guys but this whole campaign is giving me a frickin headache.
Frankly I don't care!! Look back Look back!! Bring up about Nukes well most likely you wouldn't be here if America didn't use the Bombs Against Japan ( Nagasaki & Hiroshima) Ring a bell Ding! Ding! Oh that's right you were not born yet.. Neither was I! If America Had not used them bomb's well Japan would have never Surrendered.
Look when our Troops weather its in Iraq or Afghanistan they were in handcuffs so speak just like the stinking Vietnam War. Look what we got now, Alkaid Ha!! Ha!! the New Name well all Know it is ISIS right Yup.. What do they do Cut peoples Heads Off. So do you support that Cult ? I should hope not. So say Trump is all bad because he brought up Nukes to use against them Vermin.. Bad guy?? Really do tell!! Tell how bad your days are Tell me how you laid out in the field for days to make a shot tell me man how you felt when buddy got his brains blown out next to you from them pieces of crap. Do tell I want to here it. There are a few here that would agree best thing would be to do is Nuke them and make it one big glass parking lot and in 100 years come back take the oil. Them people have been like this since biblical times it isn't going to change. So weather you have George Bush, Bill Clinton, George Jr, Obama, Hillary , Trump unless that scum is wiped out you are not going to change nothing over there your not. Go back to biblical times its not going to change. So Slamming Trump to a few here is justified. So Tell you what lets stay on this side of the Pond and let them kill them selves over there in Europe. Also not let none of them in America.. You can Vote for Hillary and have your Socialism Pie along with your 2nd amendment rights taken or infringed upon.
Many here that were in Military and went over there know this to be... However if you never been there you don't got a clue what they are like. That being said::: With them Co Existence they don't want it and never have. That is the reason it has never change over there. Since Biblical Times!!!
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Look when our Troops weather its in Iraq or Afghanistan they were in handcuffs so speak just like the stinking Vietnam War. Look what we got now, Alkaid Ha!! Ha!! the New Name well all Know it is ISIS right Yup.. What do they do Cut peoples Heads Off. So do you support that Cult ? I should hope not. So say Trump is all bad because he brought up Nukes to use against them Vermin.. Bad guy?? Really do tell!! Tell how bad your days are Tell me how you laid out in the field for days to make a shot tell me man how you felt when buddy got his brains blown out next to you from them pieces of crap. Do tell I want to here it. There are a few here that would agree best thing would be to do is Nuke them and make it one big glass parking lot and in 100 years come back take the oil. Them people have been like this since biblical times it isn't going to change. So weather you have George Bush, Bill Clinton, George Jr, Obama, Hillary , Trump unless that scum is wiped out you are not going to change nothing over there your not. Go back to biblical times its not going to change. So Slamming Trump to a few here is justified. So Tell you what lets stay on this side of the Pond and let them kill them selves over there in Europe. Also not let none of them in America.. You can Vote for Hillary and have your Socialism Pie along with your 2nd amendment rights taken or infringed upon.
Many here that were in Military and went over there know this to be... However if you never been there you don't got a clue what they are like. That being said::: With them Co Existence they don't want it and never have. That is the reason it has never change over there. Since Biblical Times!!!
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Windsor
Veteran Expediter
Well ok then! Maybe cut back on the caffeine, Idk just a suggestion. I understand and respect everything you just said but my point is (a point I thought everyone pretty much understood) that if we start slinging nuclear weapons on the other side of the pond that eventually someone will start slinging them back. Then everyone has an F'ed up planet to live on. It's like your house being infested with rats so you burn your house down to get rid of them. Call me a frickin tree hugger, I don't care. But encase you didn't notice we (humans) don't have anyplace els to live. My topic was nukes and I'm not crazy about someone running for president talking so freely about using them. Aren't modern nuclear weapons about ten times more destructive than the atom bombs we used on Japan? In a side note, I'm not sure how i wouldn't be here if we didn't bomb Japan. We bombed the hell out of them and Japan is still there. Now americans drive subaru's and we have honda generators on our trucks.
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But that's a far, far different thing than "If we have nuclear weapons we should use them." Asking the rhetorical question of why have them if we can use them is not at all the same as making a suggestion of explicit intent.
Yeah, well, we haven't actually heard that from the foreign policy expert, have we? It's an unnamed source, unverified and unverifiable. I don't believe for a second that Trump would ask that question even once, much less three different times.
I think he does realize that we don't use nukes on our enemies. Except for those two times we did.
Of course he realizes we have them for a deterrent. Sheesh. You think he hasn't seen War Games?
Can you imagine the reaction of our enemies if Trump said, "I would never use nuclear weapons. Ever. They are completely off the table."
Rest assured, the US has copious amounts of plans to use our nuclear weapons, be they in a response or in a preemptive measure. Winning is the goal of war, including nuclear war, and that's the official position of the United States. It's why Reagan directed his nuclear peeps to prepare a war plan that would ensure that U.S. strategic forces and their nuclear commanders could fight a nuclear war for at least six months, and prevail in the end. It's wny we have both strategic (long range) and tactical (battlefield) nuclear weapons. And it's the reasoning behind the long-standing U.S. position that allows for the first use of nuclear weapons in a crisis or conflict. Those plans are still in place, evolving.
The notion that Trump asked, three times, "If we have them why can't we use them?" is just absurdly ridiculous. Unless, this sooper dooper unnamed foreign policy expert couldn't competently answer one simple question, posed three times.
The chances are that we will once again end up using our nuclear weapons at some point. Donald Trump knows this, and has raised a host of legitimate and important questions about the role and purpose of America’s very large arsenal of more than 4,000 nuclear weapons in operation or reserve. While he may lack the expertise to answer those questions, his ignorance is hardly greater than most of his critics ("Oh, no, we would never use them. They only exist as a deterrent!" - idiots). His critics on the subject would do themselves a favor by opening their own minds, showing a little curiosity, doing their homework on the evolution of our nuclear policy, and then add a bit of intelligent insight into the debate. But no. "Trump's an idiot. Trump's ignorant. Trump doesn't understand why we don't use our nukes! Trump wants to use our nukes!" Idiots.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
Maybe my problem is I'm not comfortable with specifically Donald trump talking about the use of nuclear weapons. He comes off as a hot head with a big ego that gets in Twitter wars with people that piss him off. I understand we need them because other countries have them but I don't like when our leaders or potential leaders talk so freely about using them. That's all I'm saying. And we did use them twice and we shouldn't have, but that's another topic for another day.
You're not alone on that one. LOL
I don't know what's worse, though, Obama saying, "We will never use nuclear weapons in a first strike, and will only use them in retaliation to a nuclear strike," or Trump saying, "We've got a lot of extras of these toys, so we might as well play with them."
I wish the election was sooner and over with. Sure the debates should add some entertainment value. But short of that, I'm getting pretty sick of the whole thing and almost to the point I don't care anymore who wins.