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muttly

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I'm not seeing the issue with Herridge. I looked a little bit to see if there were any blatant errors with her reporting. Didn't really see anything.
My response to her leaving Fox for CBS for more money was just from memory from reading an article of her departure. I remember her saying something like the offer from CBS was just too good to turn down. But that is just what the article reported. There may have been other issues too.
As for Attkisson, she appears to lean right but from what I've seen of her she provides a sober presentation of reporting.
One thing about the vaccine/ autism issue with her. I did happen to see something recently that she posted about what the CDC did on their website.

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RLENT

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I'm not seeing the issue with Herridge.

I expect not.

I looked a little bit to see if there were any blatant errors with her reporting. Didn't really see anything.

One needs to find someone who is critical enough of her reporting to recognize and then point out the omissions.

My response to her leaving Fox for CBS for more money was just from memory from reading an article of her departure. I remember her saying something like the offer from CBS was just too good to turn down. But that is just what the article reported.

An offer being "too good to turn down" doesn't necessarily indicate that money was the deciding factor, could be other things as well.

There may have been other issues too

Likely I'd say ...
 

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Says a lot that some of the Democratic members presiding over voting for the sham impeachment & conviction in the House and Senate have made statements specifically that sound like incitement, and their members didn't even admonish them, let alone censure them for such threats.

Well, I can't really speak to that ... since what is being referred to hasn't been defined or specified exactly.

But they have a different standard when it comes to Trump. That tells me they don't have integrity on this shampeachment.

One is certainly entitled to one's opinions.

Others see it as quite the reverse ... of that I am quite sure.
 

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They are an activist propaganda operation, the flip side of Media Research Center. They don't even pretend to be an honest broker of news.

And yet what they get a high grade on factual reporting:

Media Matters

They are certainly an activist organization with a particular partisan slant - I suspect they view themselves as more of a media watchdog of rightwing propaganda and misinformation.

Using that logic, since Trump is no longer THEPresident, convicting and removing from office a private citizen who holds no office is likewise not called for. Just sayin'.

Nope - read very carefully:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

The House impeached Trump while he was THE President. (That explains why it was necessary to move quickly to impeach - while he was still President)

So the Impeachment is a fait accompli at this point. Done deal. In the bank.

The Senate has the sole power to try ALL Impeachments.

Until the Senate disposes of it, it's a pending matter (... as evidenced by the fact .. that it is pending in the Senate ...)

Disposal is done through conviction or acquittal.

Got any examples of Catherine Herridge playing fast and loose with the facts (that if were incorrect were not corrected expeditiously)? Three examples should suffice to substantiate such a serious charge.

Follow (or search Herridge) on @emptywheel on Twitter ... she's made a bit of thing of pointing out what Herridge all too conveniently omits and leaves out ... which slants Herridge's reporting.

Sharyl Attkisson most definitely leans to the right politically, but she never injected her bias into her factual investigative reporting. She's a borderline wingnut when it comes to linking vaccines and autism, though, so there is that.

Yup.

But Katherine Herridge was, in my opinion, the only reporter at Fox News who merited paying close attention. She's one of the very few legit Five Ws journalists these days. Even when asked straight up to give her opinion on a story, she would refuse to do so.

Well, if one wanted to appear to be unbiased, that's what they would do ... right ?

But of course, everyone has their own viewpoint and biases.

I often wondered why she was even at Fox News, since all the other reporters at Fox were (and still are) either stenographers, or they can't get their opinions out of the way of a news story.

Personally, I think she's pretty good as a reporter ... but I don't discount the possibility (or even the likelihood) that her own personal biases might play a role in how she reports.

Others' mileage may vary.
 

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Well, I can't really speak to that ... since what is being referred to hasn't been defined or specified exactly.



One is certainly entitled to one's opinions.

Others see it as quite the reverse ... of that I am quite sure.
Rand Paul's speech in the Senate highlighted some of the them.
 

muttly

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And yet what they get a high grade on factual reporting:

Media Matters

They are certainly an activist organization with a particular partisan slant - I suspect they view themselves as more of a media watchdog of rightwing propaganda and misinformation.



Nope - read very carefully:



The House impeached Trump while he was THE President. (That explains why it was necessary to move quickly to impeach - while he was still President)

So the Impeachment is a fait accompli at this point. Done deal. In the bank.

The Senate has the sole power to try ALL Impeachments.

Until the Senate disposes of it, it's a pending matter (... as evidenced by the fact .. that it is pending in the Senate ...)

Disposal is done through conviction or acquittal.



Follow (or search Herridge) on @emptywheel on Twitter ... she's made a bit of thing of pointing out what Herridge all too conveniently omits and leaves out ... which slants Herridge's reporting.



Yup.



Well, if one wanted to appear to be unbiased, that's what they would do ... right ?

But of course, everyone has their own viewpoint and biases.



Personally, I think she's pretty good as a reporter ... but I don't discount the possibility (or even the likelihood) that her own personal biases might play a role in how she reports.

Others' mileage may vary.
Do you have any examples of great reporters/ fair and honest journalists?
Please list all your favorites if you want.
 

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And yet what they get a high grade on factual reporting:

Media Matters
Getting a high grade on factual reporting from an ultra-liberal group of fact-checkers doesn't really mean much. It certainly doesn't somehow make them credible. In fact, even less so.

They are certainly an activist organization with a particular partisan slant - I suspect they view themselves as more of a media watchdog of rightwing propaganda and misinformation.
Possibly, but that's not what they do. Instead of being a watchdog and reporting what they find, they actively try to silence conservative voices and ideas in the media. The activism goes as far as lobbying advertisers to cease sponsorship of those voices (something the owner and operator of the aforementioned ultra-liberal group of fact-checkers attempted to do, until the backlash got too hot because it made them look slightly less than the fair and impartial fact-checkers they claimed to be).

Nope - read very carefully:
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The House impeached Trump while he was THE President.
All I did was use the same logic you used to reason why the Chief Justice wasn't called for in the Senate trial. Trump was president when impeached, but because he's not the president at trial then the Chief Justice doesn't need to preside. But if he's not president at trial, it's impossible to remove him from office at that point.
The Senate has the sole power to try ALL Impeachments.
Nobody that I'm aware of disputes that fact.
Until the Senate disposes of it, it's a pending matter (... as evidenced by the fact .. that it is pending in the Senate ...)
Nobody disagrees with that, either.
Disposal is done through conviction or acquittal.
You're en fuego. Except you forgot dismissal.

Clearly, the Senate has the power and the obligation to either dismiss the impeachment article(s) or hold a trial. Still unsettled is whether they have the power to convict and thus remove from office a private citizen who holds no office. Some people believe the Senate has that authority, some people do not. We'll never know until it happens. And I don't think it'll be settled with this trial, either.

Follow (or search Herridge) on @emptywheel on Twitter ... she's made a bit of thing of pointing out what Herridge all too conveniently omits and leaves out ... which slants Herridge's reporting.
I was hoping for something a little more concrete that showed Herridge is sometimes "challenged with facts," rather than one unabashedly biased journalist's opinions of another journalist's reporting approach and story angle. All reporting is slanted, maybe Marcy Wheeler's as much as anybody. Slant and bias start from which stories to report on, to which ones make it to print. Every reporter has a bias, but the good ones keep theirs in check. I'm not alone in not really considering Marcy a journalist, but rather a blogger with a plain bias. She occasionally does some really top-notch journalism, but it's tempered by some top-notch space cadet stuff.
Well, if one wanted to appear to be unbiased, that's what they would do ... right ?
Sure, I suppose, but refusing to offer an outright opinion when asked is hardly the litmus test for unbiased reporting. A good Five Ws journalist will omit the persuasion, the priming, the words and phrases which are used to assign someone their opinion and make the reader or listener think their opinion is their own. They are aware of their own bias, and take the necessary steps to remove it from their reporting.

A really good example of that is the recently infamous Georgia phone call. Catherine Herridge reported, "Trump could be heard on the telephone conversation audio..."

Conversely, an example of spectacularly manipulative reporting is how the Facts First Folks at CNN reported it, with, "Trump was caught on recorded audio..."

When someone is "caught" doing anything, it's never anything good. And you're guilty, because you literally got caught doing it. So without even hearing what Trump said, you've already been primed to have the opinion that whatever it is, it's bad, and it's not even open to interpretation or discussion. That's not even journalism, it's propaganda. And it's not just CNN, it's all over the mainstream media. All you have to do is look for it, and recognize it when you see it.
 
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I was hoping for something a little more concrete that showed Herridge is sometimes "challenged with facts," rather than one unabashedly biased journalist's opinions of another journalist's reporting approach and story angle. All reporting is slanted, maybe Marcy Wheeler's as much as anybody. Slant and bias start from which stories to report on, to which ones make it to print. Every reporter has a bias, but the good ones keep theirs in check. I'm not alone in not really considering Marcy a journalist, but rather a blogger with a plain bias. She occasionally does some really top-notch journalism, but it's tempered by some top-notch space cadet stuff.

And right on time:


I omitted the second tweet in that thread due to language which is probably unsuitable for this forum.
 

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Just a quick update on the yard sign survey thing that muttly had asked about previously:

Two more were taken down on our road and only one remains - I suspect it because its the high one, up on a tree 10' or 12' in the air.

Did see a couple the other day when I was out and about.
 

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And right on time:
That's not misleading. Everything Herridge reports there is true and is the context that was presented at trial. Marcy just wants Herridge to tell the story the way Marcy wants it told. That's just one of the reasons Marcy Wheeler isn't held in very high esteem as a journalist by other journalists. But I do thank you for following up to me on that.
 
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That's not misleading.

Sure it is.

Everything Herridge reports there is true and is the context that was presented at trial.

That's correct - however it is still misleading.

Marcy just wants Herridge to tell the story the way Marcy wants it told. That's just one of the reasons Marcy Wheeler isn't held in very high esteem as a journalist by other journalists.

Oh I think some journalists hold her in pretty high esteem.

Of course, that probably varies a good bit ... by who one is referring to specifically as "other journalists".

But I do thank you for following up to me on that.

You're quite welcome.
 

muttly

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Just a quick update on the yard sign survey thing that muttly had asked about previously:

Two more were taken down on our road and only one remains - I suspect it because its the high one, up on a tree 10' or 12' in the air.

Did see a couple the other day when I was out and about.
Still about 10 or so Trump signs from the blue-collar manufacturing Demecratic majority area here that voted for Trump handily in the past election. I haven't gone farther north in the county though which probably has even more than that because they voted heavily for Trump.
I did see one Biden sign and a NO BIDEN sign in my survey.
 

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Why are there two sets of standards with what is considered "incitement" speech with politicians?
 
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Why are there two sets of standards with what is considered "incitement" speech with politicians?
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