The Trump Card...

muttly

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Aggressive driving and an apparent collision ... among other things.



Do you mean "Was anyone who was in this video charged later ?"
Who was charged in the video? Were they charged with aggressive driving, obstructing traffic, improper lane change, etc? Illegally having a convoy or caravan?
 

Pilgrim

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The infamous Mueller Report lasted 22 months and cost $32 Million only to conclude there was no Russian collusion and that candidate Trump committed no wrongdoings. As the Biden presidency moves forward would it be asking too much to expect candidate Biden and President Biden undergo the same level of scrutiny, considering his Russian activities and the Ukrainian / Burisma Holdings hanky-panky currently under investigation by the FBI? Should there be a special counsel appointed to this task considering the findings already exposed? Don't hold your breath.
 

muttly

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Trump often hailed the rising stock market as an indicator of his administration's success. It's true. The market went up while Trump was president. Now that his term is complete we know the start-to-finish numbers:

"The Dow Jones Industrial Average saw an annualized return of nearly 11.8% under Trump, versus 12.1% for Obama and 15.9% for Clinton. Calvin Coolidge, with the benefit of the Roaring ’20s, topped them all with a 25.5% annualized rise, based on data going back to the late 1890s." (Source)
Trump brought back jobs to the U.S. More jobs and higher wages for minorities and women.
#Factsmatter
 

Pilgrim

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Trump brought back jobs to the U.S. More jobs and higher wages for minorities and women.
#Factsmatter
There was also the virus that originated in China that brought a roaring US economy to its knees. Neither Trump nor any other world leader knew this was coming until it was too late.
Now that the election is over Blue state governors just now seem to be understanding the consequences of economic shutdowns that had little effect on the spread of the virus.
Consequently, jobs were lost and businesses have been closed that will never come back. Averaging the Trump economic growth figures over 8 years isn't a valid measurement. It has to be done pre-covid and post-covid.
 
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Pilgrim

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Not exactly factual......

From the Mueller Report:
"“Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.”
 
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muttly

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There was also the virus that originated in China that brought a roaring US economy to its knees. Neither Trump nor any other world leader knew this was coming until it was too late.
Now that the election is over Blue state governors just now seem to be understanding the consequences of economic shutdowns that had little effect on the spread of the virus.
Consequently, jobs were lost and businesses have been closed that will never come back. Averaging the Trump economic growth figures over 8 years isn't a valid measurement. It has to be done pre-covid and post-covid.
I think the stock market would also be much higher than it is now. It crashed due to the Pandemic and it took time to rebound. Comparing presidential stock numbers and not including this once in a century event is an important caveat that should be noted.
 

Turtle

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From the Mueller Report:
"“Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.”
To those with TDS, the breathtaking lack of evidence is proof that the evidence exists, but nobody has found it yet.
 
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danthewolf00

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Yea Biden came on tv and said he has NO plan to fight covid-19 but just wear your mask for the foreseeable future....oh and they are going to keep some national guard permanently in dc.
 
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RLENT

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Not exactly factual......


Yup - Pilgrim's claims are actually much closer to being counter-factual ...

1. The investigation wasn't intended to address "collusion" ... only whether there was sufficient evidence to charge, try, and prove a crime of conspiracy. Mueller concluded there was not ... but that doesn't mean there was no evidence whatsoever, as Pilgrim falsely claims. There is also plenty of evidence of collusion.

2. The investigation did not find that Trump committed no wrongdoings, which Pilgrim also asserted falsely. (Mueller stated as much both publicly, in congressional testimony, and in the report)

In fact, quite to the contrary:

Mueller answers questions on possible obstruction of justice

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction
 
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RLENT

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From the Mueller Report:
"“Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.”

You moved the goalposts ...

:tearsofjoy:
 

RLENT

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To those with TDS, the breathtaking lack of evidence is proof that the evidence exists, but nobody has found it yet.

Or bothered to present that unfound evidence (of voter fraud) to a court ...

(Sidney and Lin, we see you over there ...)

:tearsofjoy:
 

muttly

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Yup - Pilgrim's claims are actually much closer to being counter-factual ...

1. The investigation wasn't intended to address "collusion" ... only whether there was sufficient evidence to charge, try, and prove a crime of conspiracy. Mueller concluded there was not ... but that doesn't mean there was no evidence whatsoever, as Pilgrim falsely claims. There is also plenty of evidence of collusion.

2. The investigation did not find that Trump committed no wrongdoings, which Pilgrim also asserted falsely. (Mueller stated as much both publicly, in congressional testimony, and in the report)

In fact, quite to the contrary:

Mueller answers questions on possible obstruction of justice

What the Mueller Report Says About Obstruction
Yes, collusion with Hillary and Russia.
 
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