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Trickle down economics is not going to work anymore. It's a different world now than it was 40 years ago. I am SURE that the VAST majority of business tax savings will go to the bottom line for small business and shareholders in large ones. It will NOT increase wages for workers and any expansion investment will go to automation, not Mass job creation.

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Trickle down economics is not going to work anymore. It's a different world now than it was 40 years ago. I am SURE that the VAST majority of business tax savings will go to the bottom line for small business and shareholders in large ones. It will NOT increase wages for workers and any expansion investment will go to automation, not Mass job creation.

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Without debating the unemployment figure .. it's at approx 5%. Are more jobs what we need most?

How about better wages?
How about healthcare? Our household detectable is $5K per year. $5,000 bleeping thousand dollars. I gotta check to see how much we're currently paying per month. It's not cheap.

Again, INCREMENTALLY the middle is eroding.

Our country doesn't need tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Trump has dramatically increased spending on defense & now he wants tax cuts .. to what end? Congratulations .. we got another spendthrift in office ..

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Grizzly

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Trickle down economics is not going to work anymore. It's a different world now than it was 40 years ago. I am SURE that the VAST majority of business tax savings will go to the bottom line for small business and shareholders in large ones. It will NOT increase wages for workers and any expansion investment will go to automation, not Mass job creation.

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Yep, you nailed it!

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Anyone have $1 Trillion to spare?

Just call 1-800-GOP-SUCKS .. they'll use the funds wisely ..

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Tax cut = More jobs and more people paying taxes.
Ah, the old supply side hoax.....
Except... no.

Every time this country has cut taxes on a large scale, government revenues have increased. How is that even possible?

And it happens in other contexts, as well. One of the more striking examples (mainly because it's striking on its own, but I was living there at the time and witnessed it first hand) was when the City of Nashville raised the hotel tax (Hotel Occupancy Privilege Tax) and immediately saw the convention business disappear and overall tax revenue tank in spectacular proportions.

At the time in the late 1980s into the 1990s the state sales tax in TN was 9 percent (it's currently 9.25%). Added to that was a hotel tax of 7 percent, bringing the total tax for each night stayed in a hotel at 16 percent. That's a little steep, but Opryland, Country music and geographical location still made the city a tourist draw and great place to hold conventions. The state's constitution explicitly prohibits the taxation of income, and the state and various cities are constantly trying to figure out ways to raise taxes to increase revenue. They city government knew they couldn't squeeze the local residents any more (they tried, many times) so members of the Metropolitan Council (the 40-member legislative authority of the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, overwhelmingly Democrats since Reconstruction, with an average of less than 10% (4) being Republicans), went, "Hey, let's soak the tourists! They're from out of town and we won't have to answer to them!"

So, they bumped up the hotel tax from 7 percent to 12 percent for a total tax for a stay in a hotel to 21 percent. WIthin 2 years conventions and corporate retreats in the city became a fond memory, and tourism all but dried up. What Country music related tourism remained mainly benefitted hotels in municipalities just outside the county line (mostly Lebanon and Murfreesboro). There were other factors at play, but the increased hotel tax resulting in the reduced tourism and convention business led directly to the demise of the Opryland USA as a theme park, turned it into an outlet mall, and threatened the existence of the Opryland Hotel itself.

After years of crushing pressure, the Metropolitan Council relented and reduced the hotel tax back down to 7 percent. Tourism and convention business rebounded somewhat, as did tax revenue at large. The Council was further pressured by business owners to reduce the tax further, and they finally in 2010 did so to its current level of 5 percent. The Opryland Hotel expanded greatly into a hotel and convention center, and the convention and tourism business in the city has been booming ever since. And ever since FY 2010, the annual revenue from the hotel tax has hit new records.

"FY 2013-14 collections reached an all-time high of $44,939,895, representing an increase of 21.66 percent compared to FY 2012-13. June 2014 revenues totaled $4,946,257, marking the highest collections in one month, exceeding the previous all-time highs by 4 percent (March 2014) and 21 percent (October 2013). Since December 2010, Nashville’s hotel occupancy tax collections have experienced 43 consecutive months of growth."
 
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A lot of people still out of the job market.
Let more people keep more of THEIR money.
Healthcare insurance also needs to be greatly improved. Doing so will also allow people to keep more of their money.
 
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So, Tax Bill passes, now what? It goes to a joint committee where they TRY to merge the two versions, then do both Chambers have to vote again? Does the house usually bow to the Senate?
Standard procedure when a House and Senate bill are different is, the bill goes to Conference Committee (joint committee) and hammer out a compromise. Once a final compromise has been reached, the final compromise is written up in a Conference Report that must be agreed to by both chambers before it is cleared for presidential consideration. Both the House and the Senate vote on the Conference Report, approving the compromise at large. The Conference Report will recommend a common version of the measure for approval and will also include statements of legislative intent regarding provisions of the legislation in a Joint Statement of Managers of the Conference.

If no compromise can be reached, it's both houses back to the drawing board. Often, one other the other will just accept the bill of whoever had it last, since that version of the bill already contains most of the compromises that were worked out in cooperation between the two houses during during the process that takes place after the originator passed the bill.

I think that since everybody is tired of talking about it and dealing with it, unless the Senate version contains something out of left field, like amnesty for all illegal aliens, the House will just go, "Fine. OK, Let's go with that." And then they'll send it to the president for his signature.
 
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Grizzly

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Anyone have $1 Trillion to spare?

Just call 1-800-GOP-SUCKS .. they'll use the funds wisely ..

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Tax cut = More jobs and more people paying taxes.
Ah, the old supply side hoax.....
Except... no.

Every time this country has cut taxes on a large scale, government revenues have increased. How is that even possible?

And it happens in other contexts, as well. One of the more striking examples (mainly because it's striking on its own, but I was living there at the time and witnessed it first hand) was when the City of Nashville raised the hotel tax (Hotel Occupancy Privilege Tax) and immediately saw the convention business disappear and overall tax revenue tank in spectacular proportions.

"FY 2013-14 collections reached an all-time high of $44,939,895, representing an increase of 21.66 percent compared to FY 2012-13. June 2014 revenues totaled $4,946,257, marking the highest collections in one month, exceeding the previous all-time highs by 4 percent (March 2014) and 21 percent (October 2013). Since December 2010, Nashville’s hotel occupancy tax collections have experienced 43 consecutive months of growth."


This analogy would be accurate if the revenue left the country. Did the conventions move to Mexico City? Toronto? Marrakesh? More than likely they went to Atlanta, Vegas, Miami, etc .. The funds stayed in the US. Fed Gov tax revenues did not see an impact from this.

What happens to the ~$1 Trillion that's missing from the US Fed Gov coffers? What if companies decide to use the funds to invest in oversees infrastructure? Or as previously stated, it simply goes to shareholders/the bottom line? Automation? Will that increase jobs?

Another huge transfer of wealth to ..... the wealthy. Deficit keeps growing. Follow the money .. right?
 
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Turtle

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This analogy would be accurate if the revenue left the country.
It's not an analogy, it's a real, actual, verifiable example. And it's 100% accurate.
Fed Gov tax revenues did not see an impact from this.
Actually they did. When taxes were cut the unemployment rate dropped dramatically in Nashville, more people paid federal income taxes, people left the welfare system.

And because of the increased competition for employees, wages went up. At the time, before the tax cut, starting wages for a line cook was $9.60 an hour, maxing out to about $14.00 an hour. Within 2 years after the tax cut the starting rate was, $12.00 and it maxed out at around $20.00.
 

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Are we really supposed to believe this load of crap? Donny's gettin' sloppy ...

Trump's lawyer: I wrote the president's 'sloppy' tweet about Flynn's dismissal
Hey, it's from ABC News. Plus, they have "A second source familiar with the matter corroborated his account," so, it's golden.

People (the Left, FAKE NEWS media) are all, like, "If Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI at the time of Comey'sfiring why would Trump ask Comey to go easy on Flynn? OMG that's obstruction of justice!!!"


No, sorry, it's not. In order for it to be obstruction it needs to be paired with a corrupt motive. Even if Trump had straight-up ordered Comey to drop the Flynn investigation over the lying about talking to Russians, it still wouldn't be obstruction, unless Trump would have directly benefited in a corrupt way. Asking Comey to go easy on Flynn for lying about something that isn't even illegal is hardly a corrupt motivation for obstruction.
 
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Looks like the tax bill might pass.. John McCain just got on board!
Is that a good thing?

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Guess I’ll find out when I read it!;);)

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Grassley criticized for comments on taxpayers who waste money on 'booze,' 'women'
 
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Are we really supposed to believe this load of crap? Donny's gettin' sloppy ...

Trump's lawyer: I wrote the president's 'sloppy' tweet about Flynn's dismissal
Hey, it's from ABC News. Plus, they have "A second source familiar with the matter corroborated his account," so, it's golden.

People (the Left, FAKE NEWS media) are all, like, "If Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI at the time of Comey'sfiring why would Trump ask Comey to go easy on Flynn? OMG that's obstruction of justice!!!"


No, sorry, it's not. In order for it to be obstruction it needs to be paired with a corrupt motive. Even if Trump had straight-up ordered Comey to drop the Flynn investigation over the lying about talking to Russians, it still wouldn't be obstruction, unless Trump would have directly benefited in a corrupt way. Asking Comey to go easy on Flynn for lying about something that isn't even illegal is hardly a corrupt motivation for obstruction.


I'm getting confused ... is Trump a US President or US Emperor?

Can a sitting US President obstruct justice?

It's impossible for Trump to 'obstruct justice,' his lawyer says
 
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Are we really supposed to believe this load of crap? Donny's gettin' sloppy ...

Trump's lawyer: I wrote the president's 'sloppy' tweet about Flynn's dismissal
Hey, it's from ABC News. Plus, they have "A second source familiar with the matter corroborated his account," so, it's golden.

People (the Left, FAKE NEWS media) are all, like, "If Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI at the time of Comey'sfiring why would Trump ask Comey to go easy on Flynn? OMG that's obstruction of justice!!!"


No, sorry, it's not. In order for it to be obstruction it needs to be paired with a corrupt motive. Even if Trump had straight-up ordered Comey to drop the Flynn investigation over the lying about talking to Russians, it still wouldn't be obstruction, unless Trump would have directly benefited in a corrupt way. Asking Comey to go easy on Flynn for lying about something that isn't even illegal is hardly a corrupt motivation for obstruction.


I'm getting confused ... is Trump a US President or US Emperor?

Can a sitting US President obstruct justice?

It's impossible for Trump to 'obstruct justice,' his lawyer says
Nixon claimed the same.
 

Turtle

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The AG works for, and is directly answerable to, the President,she as all other Cabinet members.

The President most definitely can commit obstruction of justice, but firing a cabinet member in and of itself doesn't meet the standard of obstruction.
 

Ragman

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The AG works for, and is directly answerable to, the President,she as all other Cabinet members.

The President most definitely can commit obstruction of justice, but firing a cabinet member in and of itself doesn't meet the standard of obstruction.
But, but, but Trumpetes lawyer says he can't because the Pres is Chief Law Enforcement Officer. Does he not know how it works?
 
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