The Trump Card...
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True. But most will file for a work permit which gives them a SS#. Since many are at poverty wages they essentially pay no federal tax but qualify for earned income tax credits and child care credit. This is doing it within the system, not counting all the other fraudulent ways they game the system.
Here is one report from the Treasury/2011
https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2011reports/201141061fr.pdf
They are expensive. Don't think for a minute they aren't a drain on the system.
According to some liberals and some of the media, they like to portray it that way. The truth is really in the numbers. Quite simply, we can't afford it.
Yeah, they are. So are opinions and misrepresentations presented as fact. None of the "facts" in the article show sociopathic behavior. The article is an angry hit piece. Trump did not hire any illegals to work at Trump Tower, he hired Lend Lease who hired subcontractors who hire illegals.
The Polish Brigade section is mostly a load of finely crafted crap. At the time the Bonwit Teller building was being demolished by the Polish Brigade, where these poor, poor Polish immigrants were paid less than $5.00 an hour, the minimum wage had just been bumped up to $2.90 an hour and union wages for NYC demolition was in the $5 to $6 range. The Polish Brigade was paid between $4 and $5 an hour. The lawsuit was filed by the union chief, Harry Diduck, because he was mad Trump didn't hire union workers for the demolition and he was mad that his union predecessor hired the non-union workers for the job. The story states "Trump, his partner and the contractor were found guilty of partaking in a conspiracy." That is true, they were. At trial the federal judge ruled that the Trump Organization and its partner conspired with a former union leader to withhold $325,000 in benefit payments plus interest adding up to about $4 million.
However the "portion" that was overturned on appeal was all of it, the entire portion, and a retrial was ordered. Trump's partner, by the way, was Equitable Life Assurance (now AXA Equitable), of which my dad was a vice-president from 1971 until 1984, and between 1978 and 1981 was officed in the Equitable Life Building in NYC (famous for several reasons) and was in charge of what would later become Equitable Real Estate Investment Management. That division worked directly with Trump. The retrial never happened, as the case was settled out of court for $100,000 with no interest after it was discovered that new things would come out in the retrial that Diduck didn't want any part of because he was an FBI informant and had his own closet full of skeletons. .
The section about a worker falling to his death during the construction of Trump Soho is a non-story insofar as sociopathy is concerned. Trump reviewed the contracts. Imagine that, someone wanting to review the contracts on a building their name is on.
The Polish Brigade section is mostly a load of finely crafted crap. At the time the Bonwit Teller building was being demolished by the Polish Brigade, where these poor, poor Polish immigrants were paid less than $5.00 an hour, the minimum wage had just been bumped up to $2.90 an hour and union wages for NYC demolition was in the $5 to $6 range. The Polish Brigade was paid between $4 and $5 an hour. The lawsuit was filed by the union chief, Harry Diduck, because he was mad Trump didn't hire union workers for the demolition and he was mad that his union predecessor hired the non-union workers for the job. The story states "Trump, his partner and the contractor were found guilty of partaking in a conspiracy." That is true, they were. At trial the federal judge ruled that the Trump Organization and its partner conspired with a former union leader to withhold $325,000 in benefit payments plus interest adding up to about $4 million.
However the "portion" that was overturned on appeal was all of it, the entire portion, and a retrial was ordered. Trump's partner, by the way, was Equitable Life Assurance (now AXA Equitable), of which my dad was a vice-president from 1971 until 1984, and between 1978 and 1981 was officed in the Equitable Life Building in NYC (famous for several reasons) and was in charge of what would later become Equitable Real Estate Investment Management. That division worked directly with Trump. The retrial never happened, as the case was settled out of court for $100,000 with no interest after it was discovered that new things would come out in the retrial that Diduck didn't want any part of because he was an FBI informant and had his own closet full of skeletons. .
The section about a worker falling to his death during the construction of Trump Soho is a non-story insofar as sociopathy is concerned. Trump reviewed the contracts. Imagine that, someone wanting to review the contracts on a building their name is on.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
My comment about facts being pesky things had nothing to do with the link cheri posted (which I didn't even read) - it was in reference to an earlier post.
Just an FYI.
Tighten up! you had us all going................SQUIRREL SEEYA
I agree that 'sociopath' is hardly accurate, but I stand by my contention that Trump has not shown a commitment to NOT hiring illegal workers [back when no one was watching] which makes his current 'concern' about as convincing as his imitation of Sally "They like me!" Field.
What can Trump do in your eyes that would show an acceptable level of commitment? Even back when no one was watching all of his contacts with contractors stipulated that all work performed must be done so in accordance with federal, state and local laws. Do you think he should personally spend all of his days and nights on-site at each one of his properties and business ventures micrimanaging Human Resources?
Do you show the same level of commitment, whereby you ensure that every forklift operator, warehouse worker and shipping clerk are of legal status? Whenever you spend money for goods and services do you ensure that everyone involved in the process, including those you don't see, such as those who picked the lettuce for your salad, are all legal? Because that's the level of commitment to which you are holding Trump.
Do you show the same level of commitment, whereby you ensure that every forklift operator, warehouse worker and shipping clerk are of legal status? Whenever you spend money for goods and services do you ensure that everyone involved in the process, including those you don't see, such as those who picked the lettuce for your salad, are all legal? Because that's the level of commitment to which you are holding Trump.
What he can do is what we all should do: match his deeds to his words. If he believes illegal immigrants are a strain upon our social systems and a threat to our welfare, and he has some [major] influence over who is hired to work on the projects he is involved in, then he should make it clear that illegal immigrants are not to be hired.
If it costs more to hire American workers, well, that's what's known as putting your money where your mouth is. The man has no shortage of either - they just don't line up real well, IMO.
If it costs more to hire American workers, well, that's what's known as putting your money where your mouth is. The man has no shortage of either - they just don't line up real well, IMO.