The Trump Card...

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A Christian Pastor’s Analysis
of the U.S. Election Drama


By: Dr. James Dobson



Is Trump good for America?


I mentioned Sunday that
I would speak on this next week.


Unfortunately, I found that
I was shoehorning this topic
into my planned message.


To properly present
what I want to speak on Sunday,
I may have to leave the Donald out of it!


But let me take a minute
for those that wonder
and
give some of my thoughts.


When I first heard that Trump
was entering the race last year,
I told my wife that perhaps
it was a good thing
for the party and America.


I knew that
he was not a "saint,"
but I thought that
he would be like
a bull in a china shop.


He is a disrupter
and
I believe America could use
a fresh thinker
especially in the political arena.


I didn't think he would get the nomination,
but that he would shake up politics as usual.


I was correct on the shaking up!

Lance Wallnau likens him
to a biblical Cyrus.
Someone who is dynamically used of God
even though not perceived by many
as a God follower.


God has used many people in history
that I would probably not like
or agree with.


I’m not sure I would have liked
all the disciples,
or David,
or Moses.


Somehow, God did not seem compelled
to consult with me
on His choices!



I have always admired Winston Churchill.
He is seen as one of the greatest national leaders
in the 20th century.


Last year, I had the privilege
of going through the War Museum in London.
Winston is a key feature.




His life is controversial.
He was not always celebrated
as a great leader.
He was a bombastic,
cigar smoking,
at times crude,
even misogynistic leader.


It is alleged that
he told off color stories
to his children before bedtime!


A woman once told him
he was disgustingly drunk.


His response was
"My dear, you are disgustingly ugly,
but tomorrow I shall be sober
and you will still be ugly!"


There are many websites that
discuss the outlandish comments
and activities of this great world leader.
But, he had exactly what was needed
to stop Hitler
at the Channel,
to rouse a nation
to never give up
and
to partner with America
to find final victory in Europe.


You probably wouldn't want him
as your pastor,
maybe not even your father,
but he was the right leader
for that moment
in England's history.


Such a brazen man that would go
up to the roof of his quarters
in central London and smoke cigars
as Hitler’s air force bombed all around him.


I’m not sure I would have voted for him....
but he was the right man!


I think it would be awesome
to have a righteous leader,
one that understood the intricacies of the economy,
health care,
defense,
immigration,
with great sensitivity to religious institutions,
a heart for the poor,
a vision for the future.


If that leader was a praying person,
formidable in the word of God
and loved the local church,
I would rejoice!


I do not think that is the choice
we will have in November.


Instead...
we will look for someone
who is imperfect,
yet will fit the times
we are living in.


Particularly,
that ‘whoever’ we vote for,
will be someone
who might possibly have
the opportunity
to appoint up to three Supreme Court justices.
That could radically shape our culture in America
for the next 30 years.


The America of our grandchildren
could be very different....
and that may not be good.


We cannot stand on the sidelines.
A non-vote is a passive vote
for a direction we may very well regret.


So...is Donald Trump good for America?
I honestly believe that he has been already.
He has shaken the political system.


Do his comments offend me?
At times!
Do I agree with all he says?
Not at all!
But could he be a “Cyrus”
being raised up by God
to preserve America?


Nobody liked Gen. Patton,
but he sure WAS an instrument
of the United States
for the right things.


This I know.
I will vote for the best chance for America.
I will pray for our leaders as I have already.


In the end -
God will continue to be my source
and my hope.


I do believe that God
has had a hand in America's history.
I hope and pray that
He will also have a saving hand
in America’s future.


I shudder
when I think of the caliber
of HILLARY’S APPOINTEES.


GOD help us.




There are two ways to be fooled.
One is to believe
what isn't true;
the other is to refuse
to believe what is true.

~~Soren Kierkegaard
1813-1855
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Yeah, that's one take on it.

Another might be that he's a self-absorbed, egotistical narcissist that craves the limelight and suffers from delusions of grandeur ... with inclinations towards authoritarianism.

And the same could be said for Clinton
Indeed ... the only difference in regards to any of the above, might be the matter of degree.

! McMullin/Finn 2016 !
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Perhaps Mr. Trump needs to someone to help him hone his messaging skills a little further ... because if this is what we're getting during the campaign - with him selecting only "the very best people" to surround himself with - I shudder to think what we'll get if he's actually elected:

"In just about all cases, it’s nonsense, it’s false," he said earlier in the day.

Oh really ?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
From Kimberly Ross on RedState - she raises some very interesting points:

This presidential election cycle as a whole has been one disgusting display after another. Neither candidate should be awarded with the presidency. Neither one possesses strong moral fiber. Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have things in their past and present which are highly questionable or downright insidious. Yet both of them have cheerleaders willing to prop up and protect them at any cost.

One of the most disappointing aspects of the last few months has been the ease at which Evangelical leaders rally around their "chosen one", Donald Trump. He lacks basic moral decency, but never mind that. People like Ralph Reed of the Faith & Freedom Coalition, Jerry Falwell, Jr., president of Liberty University, and Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family all support Donald Trump.

It's clear that many prominent men in the Evangelical movement are awestruck by celebrity and unwilling to show actual leadership, something they just love to be known for. This is a slap in the face to women as a whole but especially to the sisters of faith who serve beside them. Trump not only views women as objects, but has forced himself upon them simply because he can. Those like Reed, Falwell, and Dobson lack backbones, so the women will take the lead instead.

Popular author and speaker Beth Moore is fed up, as The Daily Beast reports:

“I’m one among many women sexually abused, misused, stared down, heckled, talked naughty to. Like we liked it. We didn’t. We’re tired of it,” Moore said. She also had a word about evangelical leaders still supporting Trump: “Try to absorb how acceptable the disesteem and objectifying of women has been when some Christian leaders don’t think it’s that big a deal.”

Increasingly, moderate and conservative Christian women are speaking out about Trump’s brand of misogyny and divisiveness, and condemning support for the nominee or silence about him from male evangelicals.

...women see Trump’s comments not just as a gender issue but also a theological one; as Rev. Lisa Sharon Harper, Chief Church Engagement Officer for Sojourners, shared with me, “Trump’s offense is not only against a gender. His assaults on women are direct assaults against the image of God on earth.”

Churches across America have very different views on the role of females in communities of faith. Regardless of individual preference, as inspired by Biblical prompts or not, it is inexcusable to demean women in whatever fashion. Sadly, it seems like some male Evangelical leaders are more than willing to sweep misogyny under the rug and excuse it away because "we have to beat Hillary Clinton".

The pro-life issue is a main reason why these men and others support Donald Trump. (This is laughable to begin with considering Trump's own very shaky stance on abortion and his praising on Planned Parenthood.) If these men are so concerned with protecting the inherent worth of each individual, shouldn't that extend to protecting the femininity of women, whether they're a part of the church in America or not? Support for Trump is a stamp of approval on behavior which views women as nothing more than objects to grope, rub up against, or to have sex with and then discard.

Excuse me, but we won't be treated like that.

I don't believe that I, as an American woman, am oppressed. However, it is beyond disappointing that men who not only claim faith, but are in leadership roles, are so willing to dismiss a predator among them. Maybe Trump has promised them some future role? I don't know. Regardless, they are lured away from doing their duty and instead join in with someone whose hobby is casting females aside.

I'm disgusted by Trump and his male cheerleaders. You should be, too. Thankfully, women like Beth Moore and Rev. Lisa Sharon Harper won't stay quiet on the sidelines as some Evangelical men have always wished they would.

Original article:

Female Evangelicals Respond to Trump And To The Evangelical Men Who Defend Him | RedState
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
I think it was last night that I happened to catch this guy - Tom Barrack who is a friend of Trump and economic advisor to him - give an interview on why he thinks Trump is the right guy for the job.

He was eloquent and rational and didn't mince words about what he felt were some of Trump's shortcomings - and appeared, depending on your politics, to make a very reasonable case for Trump.

Interestingly, I saw it on that bastion of liberal media, PBS Newshour.

Watch it and see what you think:

Why billionaire Tom Barrack believes Trump can fix inequality

My only question to Camp Trump is: Where has this guy been ?
 
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Turtle

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From Kimberly Ross on RedState - she raises some very interesting points:
Interesting points, yes, and it drives home the problem of hypocrisy. I think I've mentioned a time or two about the hypocrisy on both sides, and while hypocrisy is just scummy in and of itself, the hypocrisy of the right is far worse. The Democrats present themselves as the party of policies, but the Republicans present themselves as the party of morals. When your policies fail, you can literally have a do over. But when your morals fails, you've got nowhere to go.
 
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JohnWC

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Yeah, that's one take on it.

Another might be that he's a self-absorbed, egotistical narcissist that craves the limelight and suffers from delusions of grandeur ... with inclinations towards authoritarianism.

And the same could be said for Clinton
Indeed ... the only difference in regards to any of the above, might be the matter of degree.

! McMullin/Finn 2016 !
I looked at McMillan I think he is by far the worst choice for president
 

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RLENT

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I looked at McMillan I think he is by far the worst choice for president
Yeah ... it was more or less sarcasm ... likelihood of me getting onboard with a spook is about nil.

Although Finn does look kind of interesting by herself ...
 
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RLENT

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First few of a number of predictions:

1. As the writing on the wall becomes a little more solid, The Donald will continue to become even more extreme in the completely unsubstantiated claims he makes, most particularly in regards to the election being "stolen" through (essentially non-existent) vote/election fraud ...

2. Pence will be put in the unenviable position of having to speak to this, and because he actually envisions a political future for himself, he will have to take a contrary position ... since he understands that the peaceful transfer of power depends on the electorate having faith in the system.

3. At some future point, Pence's doing so will incur the wrath of The Donald ... and Pence will walk.
 
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muttly

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I looked at McMillan I think he is by far the worst choice for president
Yeah ... it was more or less sarcasm ... likelihood of me getting onboard with a spook is about nil.

Although Finn does look kind of interesting by herself ...
Looks like it's down to gary or trump for me
Gary's running mate doesn't even believe he's the most qualified choice of the remaining candidates.
 

RLENT

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Rigged regarding many in the media for sure.
Not happy with the media's coverage or conduct ?

Then build your own ...

If you are really truly going for "Fair and Balanced" though, then I'd suggest taking a pass on candidate fluffers like Hannity ...
 

RLENT

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First few of a number of predictions:

1. As the writing on the wall becomes a little more solid, The Donald will continue to become even more extreme in the completely unsubstantiated claims he makes, most particularly in regards to the election being "stolen" through (essentially non-existent) vote/election fraud ...

2. Pence will be put in the unenviable position of having to speak to this, and because he actually envisions a political future for himself, he will have to take a contrary position ... since he understands that the peaceful transfer of power depends on the electorate having faith in the system.

3. At some future point, Pence's doing so will incur the wrath of The Donald ... and Pence will walk.
Judging by his Twitter feed, I don't think "voter fraud!" means what he thinks it means ...
 
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