I am just amazed, Indiana of all places!
http://www.freep.com/story/news/nat...-protest-religious-freedom-law-indy/70596032/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/nat...-protest-religious-freedom-law-indy/70596032/
The State of Hate
- Thread starter Ragman
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Amazing, just amazing. Saying one person has just as much, not more, not less, but just exactly as much right to say no thank you as someone has to say I want your services. Hateful, hateful, hateful. How could anyone propose equality in standing. Unbelievable. 
Maybe the sensible thing to do would be to wait a few months to see how the aftermath of this legislation plays out instead of responding with a knee-jerk reaction to the noisy minority and their willing accomplices in the MSM. Most of IN is conservative, as has been proven in recent elections - it's a red state except for the Indy area and the NW corner. It's doubtful this twitter "boycott" will have much effect because the legislation reflects the will of the people as is the case in so many other states.
http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/house/indiana/#.VRdycOHZ2Uk
http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/house/indiana/#.VRdycOHZ2Uk
paullud
Veteran Expediter
The problem is that they are forcing people to participate in things that go against their religious beliefs. These gray areas are the only thing being questioned and they aren't working to allow racial discrimination.
People who insist that religious beliefs supersede law are going to be very unhappy when the beliefs are those of a different religion. Right now, those asserting their right to ignore laws that violate their beliefs [founded on tradition, not reality], are Christians, but what happens when Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and many less well known religions demand the same rights?
Exactly what the Founding Fathers intended to prevent: imposition of religious "beliefs" upon those who believe differently.
Exactly what the Founding Fathers intended to prevent: imposition of religious "beliefs" upon those who believe differently.
Amazing, just amazing. Saying one person has just as much, not more, not less, but just exactly as much right to say no thank you as someone has to say I want your services. Hateful, hateful, hateful. How could anyone propose equality in standing. Unbelievable.
A person has those rights - a business does not. In exchange for the tax and legal advantages conferred by a business license, the business is obligated to serve the general public. They may not refuse service based upon a customer's perceived sexual orientation, [or upon a customer's perceived bigotry, either - good news, for some, eh?]
Indiana's new law is allowing discrimination, based upon religious beliefs, towards perceived sexual orientation, and there is nothing 'equal' or even reasonable about that.
When a 'belief' trumps law, reason is out the window and gone with the wind.
So if a lesbian had a florist shop or bakery, they should be forced by the government to service an anti gay event?
I'm curious as to what red or blue has to do with it. The will of the people only goes so far. It doesn't allow for the oppression of the minority, or the individual. If it did, the will of the people, whoever they might be, could trample the rights of the minority at will.
The people elect the representatives who write and pass the legislation. Therefore it should come as no great surprise that laws like this would be passed in Indiana (see OP). Of course it will be challenged like the same sex marriage ban legislation that was passed in many other states, so we'll see how it progresses as it makes its way through the appeals process.
I'm still waiting to see what happens when a Muslim owned bakery refuses to cater the wedding of a Jewish lesbian couple; or perhaps what happens when a gay Muslim couple wants to have their wedding in a US mosque. Would adherence to religious beliefs prevail in these instances?
Governor Pence of Indiana, and the Hoosier State collectively, are about to experience real hate and intolerance. The Gay Mafia is in a league of its own. No tactic or skullduggery is off limits. Anyone opposing full embrace of the homosexual agenda will be destroyed. It's the tail wagging the dog.
Ten years ago, the prospect of such departure from social norms would have been unthinkable. With Obama's blessing, it's pedal to the metal for the homosexual agenda. A backlash will come as the societal pendulum swings the other way. Just a matter of time before some incident will spark a fierce return to traditional values.
Tolerance for homosexuals was never enough. Acceptance isn't enough. They demand society's stamp of approval for a lifestyle unnatural and morally bankrupt. Too many Americans have been bullied into silence on this issue. Governor Pence signed the bill into law. He should own it without apology or "clarification."
Ten years ago, the prospect of such departure from social norms would have been unthinkable. With Obama's blessing, it's pedal to the metal for the homosexual agenda. A backlash will come as the societal pendulum swings the other way. Just a matter of time before some incident will spark a fierce return to traditional values.
Tolerance for homosexuals was never enough. Acceptance isn't enough. They demand society's stamp of approval for a lifestyle unnatural and morally bankrupt. Too many Americans have been bullied into silence on this issue. Governor Pence signed the bill into law. He should own it without apology or "clarification."
Most of Indiana is not conservative: Pence won the election with 49.62%, his opponent John Gregg had 46.42%. That's not a large majority - and even among the conservatives, there are many who support the right of gay people to be treated as everyone else. Cindy Kirchoffer, a Republican who voted against it, said that 75% of her calls, letters, and emails from constituents were against it, and she is obligated to represent them, not her personal ideology. [How refreshing!]
That isn't because of a gay "agenda", it's because gay people have finally quit pretending to be otherwise, and a great many people got educated by a [surprise!] gay family member, coworker, or friend. They may have been unhappy and/or uncomfortable at first, but over the past 10 years, they've come to understand that gay people are no different [except in the privacy of their own bedrooms, where none of us belong] than straight people. The sole justification for treating them differently is "religious beliefs", and that's not good enough. Those who don't share your beliefs should not be ruled by them, period.
As for your claim that the furor will subside, you're wrong on that too. It's growing, and Pence is only fanning the flames - because he's an arrogant governor who thinks he can impose his own ideology on the people he is paid to represent. It's about to get real, now.
There are people in America that have religious beliefs that say that black people are subhuman, mudmen. This law would allow them to refuse to serve them in their restaurant or store.
A devout Muslim could refuse to serve a woman because she is immodestly dressed.
Are their religious beliefs able to supersede law and decency.
During the '60s lots of "religious" people were against equal rights for blacks because the "Bible" said so.
Either all people are equal or none are. If America wants to embrace discrimination than that law is a good first step.
A devout Muslim could refuse to serve a woman because she is immodestly dressed.
Are their religious beliefs able to supersede law and decency.
During the '60s lots of "religious" people were against equal rights for blacks because the "Bible" said so.
Either all people are equal or none are. If America wants to embrace discrimination than that law is a good first step.
An interesting take from someone in the U.S. Labor Dept:
(From therightscoop.)
She has deleted the tweet which reads, “people in the red states vote for nazis to govern, and then call themselves Christian, it will not end well for them. #BoycottIndiana”.
Read more: http://m.therightscoop.com/economis...istians-nazis-over-indiana-law/#ixzz3VounKqFc
(From therightscoop.)
She has deleted the tweet which reads, “people in the red states vote for nazis to govern, and then call themselves Christian, it will not end well for them. #BoycottIndiana”.
Read more: http://m.therightscoop.com/economis...istians-nazis-over-indiana-law/#ixzz3VounKqFc
