The State of Hate

[asjssl]

OH WOW! Another meme that makes absolutely no sense because it is comparing two completely different things. SO TRUE!! Ugh

It's the picking and choosing of what they feel is there religious freedom....

Guaranteed there baking cakes for adulterers. .people on there 4th marriage...would be more understanding if they stuck to there principles. ..just another way to be a bigot.....typical

 

[asjssl]

Furthermore. .the ones judging people are the ones when you do a little digging..are up to all sorts of shenanigans..so goes right back to the hypocrisy of it all.

 

[muttly]

Furthermore. .the ones judging people are the ones when you do a little digging..are up to all sorts of shenanigans..so goes right back to the hypocrisy of it all.

It makes me wonder what Ms. Ashack is doing in the U.S. Labor Dept.

 

[aristotle]

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence gave a pathetic, mealy-mouthed announcement and news conference today. Waffling, equivocating typical politician. No profile in courage, once talked about as a potential presidential candidate, his political aspirations, whatever they may be, are over.

 

[RLENT]

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence gave a pathetic, mealy-mouthed announcement and news conference today. Waffling, equivocating typical politician. No profile in courage, once talked about as a potential presidential candidate, his political aspirations, whatever they may be, are over.

Rough translation: Today Mike Pence threw SoCons (aka the American Taliban) and their theocracy agenda under the bus ... where they belong ...

 

[aristotle]

Governor Scott Walker faced down the vicious Left several times and won. It can be done. Walker was subjected to unending protests, media attacks and smear campaigns in Wisconsin. Scott Walker prevailed. He is made of stouter stuff than Pence. It is clear Indiana Governor Pence is not a man of conviction. The State of Indiana deserves better. To call them a 'State of Hate" is foolish and is hate speech in itself. Like it or not, the 1st Admendment provides for freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Why would anyone coerce a caterer to physically attend and participate in a homosexual ceremony if the caterer holds a religious objection? Can a kosher deli be compelled to serve nonkosher foods? Can a Muslim cake decorator be compelled to draw an image of Mohammed on a cake?

Both South Carolina and Kentucky have religious freedom laws similar to the one just passed in Indiana. Good luck trying to change minds there.

 

[ysracer]

Its still OK if their priest is gay, though, right ?

 

[LDB]

Can a kosher deli be compelled to serve non-kosher foods? Can a Muslim cake decorator be compelled to draw an image of Mohammed on a cake?

In your first example, given time, yes. In your second example, never. We have several who would support just that plan although they'll vehemently argue otherwise.

 

[Ragman]

Gov. Pence promises to fix the law. In other words, he admits the law is broken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/indiana-religious-freedom_n_6977170.html

 

[Pilgrim]

While all this outrage is being directed toward IN, what about the 19 other states that have virtually the same law in place?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...laws-like-indianas-that-no-one-is-boycotting/

Of course nothing is being said about the federal religious freedom act that was passed by bipartisan majorities in congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993. What's really hilarious is the declaration by the Gov of CT that his state will boycott all govt paid travel to IN, while his state has the same law on their books.

 

[cheri1122]

How many times can you possibly be wrong and still comment like you speak the truth or know any facts? Pence has stated point blank that this bill is not for discrimination and said that no one should be discriminating against gays. They have already said that they are going to clarify the matter. Stop parroting what you read on Facebook and try watching the actual interviews so you actually know what was adressed and what wasn't. Just watch the ABC News interview of Pence or any other interviews with reps.

The question is: how many times can you post comments like that first sentence and consider yourself an adult capable of expressing a point of view without slinging mud at those with whom you disagree?

Pence has stated that the bill is not meant to permit discrimination, but that doesn't mean it won't be used for exactly that. [The bill's supporters said that it will - before it was signed.] If he is being truthful, why would he refuse to answer the question regarding discrimination against gays six times in his ABC interview on Sunday? Every time the question was asked, he deflected it. If the bill prohibited discrimination against gays [not just by the service industry, but landlords and employers also] why didn't he say so? Because it doesn't, and he knows that.
Furthermore, the bill wouldn't need "clarification" if it were clear to begin with: discrimination against gays in services, housing, or employment is illegal - except in this bill. It's also morally wrong, because religious "beliefs" have no place in secular law. [Which religion? Which beliefs? Exactly what the Founding Fathers worked hard to prevent!] Pence and the conservative religious who can't accept that keep trying to make their "beliefs" law, generally in sneaky ways like this: passing a "freedom of religion" bill that they claim is the same as already passed in 19 or 20 other states, but is lacking the protection from discrimination against gays that is included in the others.
"Stop parroting what you read on Facebook" is yet another uncalled for [and untrue] smear, in lieu of an intelligent response. It's also insulting and offensive - but sadly, not at all surprising.

 

[cheri1122]

While all this outrage is being directed toward IN, what about the 19 other states that have virtually the same law in place?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...laws-like-indianas-that-no-one-is-boycotting/

Of course nothing is being said about the federal religious freedom act that was passed by bipartisan majorities in congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993. What's really hilarious is the declaration by the Gov of CT that his state will boycott all govt paid travel to IN, while his state has the same law on their books.

"Virtually the same law", "shares much of the same language",n "laws like Indiana's" - notice anything they have in common?
Since you can't seem to grasp the obvious, I'll spell it out for you: Indiana's law is not exactly the same as the Federal and state laws that have been passed before.
One eeensy leetle difference: language that protects gays is not found in the Indiana version.
Ct does not have the same law, nor does any other state.
Your blog author is as obtuse as you are, on this subject.

 

[aristotle]

Gov. Pence promises to fix the law. In other words, he admits the law is broken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/indiana-religious-freedom_n_6977170.html

The law is fine. Governor Pence is broken.

 

[paullud]

It's the picking and choosing of what they feel is there religious freedom....

Guaranteed there baking cakes for adulterers. .people on there 4th marriage...would be more understanding if they stuck to there principles. ..just another way to be a bigot.....typical

You aren't comparing the same thing. I'm not sure what you aren't understanding or why you are having so much trouble understanding it. Dealing with sinners is not a problem. The act of participating in a sin is a problem for them. They would view baking a cake as participating in and condoning what they view as a sin. Do you see the difference? Again, the law is not to just stop serving gays based in being gay, it is there to stop people from being forced to participate in a gay wedding.

 

[paullud]

Gov. Pence promises to fix the law. In other words, he admits the law is broken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/indiana-religious-freedom_n_6977170.html

It was not well crafted. He has been saying that they would clarify the law for days now but the propaganda and lies took over to pretend the law was something it wasn't.

 

[aristotle]

More to the point, the law is designed to provide a legal defense against forced participation.

 

[paullud]

The question is: how many times can you post comments like that first sentence and consider yourself an adult capable of expressing a point of view without slinging mud at those with whom you disagree?

It's not my fault that you constantly make incorrect claims in this post and many others. You get your info from biased sources and just parrot it as gospel. As for questioning the maturity of my comment I'll direct you to your response below. I can also find many more comments like that from you. You can't run around and play a victim when you do the same.

Since you can't seem to grasp the obvious, I'll spell it out for you: Indiana's law is not exactly the same as the Federal and state laws that have been passed before.

Your blog author is as obtuse as you are, on this subject.

 

[cheri1122]

Governor Scott Walker faced down the vicious Left several times and won. It can be done. Walker was subjected to unending protests, media attacks and smear campaigns in Wisconsin. Scott Walker prevailed. He is made of stouter stuff than Pence. It is clear Indiana Governor Pence is not a man of conviction. The State of Indiana deserves better. To call them a 'State of Hate" is foolish and is hate speech in itself. Like it or not, the 1st Admendment provides for freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Why would anyone coerce a caterer to physically attend and participate in a homosexual ceremony if the caterer holds a religious objection? Can a kosher deli be compelled to serve nonkosher foods? Can a Muslim cake decorator be compelled to draw an image of Mohammed on a cake?

Both South Carolina and Kentucky have religious freedom laws similar to the one just passed in Indiana. Good luck trying to change minds there.

Scott Walker was bankrolled by the Koch brothers in his recall election, but even they don't have enough money to finance opposition to all the extreme conservative representatives over & over & over again.
Here's a better question: why would anyone become a caterer [or any service provider] to the general public, if they have scruples against serving some of the general public? They can't be allowed to 'cherry pick' which customers pass their litmus test, whatever it is.
It's the same argument used during the Civil Rights era, when service providers [and many legislators] didn't care to treat black people the same as white people. They were wrong, and so are those whose religious [or whatever] beliefs discriminate against gay people.
We don't need luck to change anyone's minds - it just takes time. Sooner or later, most will have to admit that gays are just the same as everyone else. Usually because a family member, or loved one, or someone they truly admire turns out to be gay, and they can no longer support discriminating against them. There will be some who refuse to change, but there are some who still believe that black people are inherently inferior. Life marches on, leaving them behind, in their impotent rage for what "used to be".

 

[aristotle]

When all else fails, inject cries of racism.

 

[cheri1122]

It's not my fault that you constantly make incorrect claims in this post and many others. You get your info from biased sources and just parrot it as gospel. As for questioning the maturity of my comment I'll direct you to your response below. I can also find many more comments like that from you. You can't run around and play a victim when you do the same.

Incorrect claims? List them.
The comment "you can't seem to grasp the obvious" was deserved: you missed the fact that not one of the sources you cited said the Indiana law is exactly the same as the others? You accept the examples I cited to mean "exactly the same", and you call out my "incorrect claims"?!
It is your fault that you make statements you can't back up. In this post, and many others.