The socialist debate

davekc

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Well, thank god education isn't a factor.
My grandfather was an uneducated, but brilliant, man and he was an immigrant.

Come on Dave, I expected better from you of all people.


Back then it wasn't a factor. What we see now and what we have now are completely different. Just not the same world any more. Immigrants of the earlier day were generally self sufficient.
That doesn't exist as a general rule with what we currently see.
 

davekc

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You're right, America has become a cold cruel place.

I don't think that is the case. By comparison to other countries, we have been more than welcoming than others. Actually by a large margin. Because of our current debt and other issues, do we mortgage future generations, and or negatively impact current citizens in order to accommodate that need? At almost 19 trillion in debt, I'm not seeing it.
Too much impact to have wide open doors. Too many problems taking care of who is here now let alone trying to add to it. The numbers are what they are.
 

Turtle

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That was then, this is now. Immigration polices cannot stay static forever they need to change with the times and the needs of the country. We need education people who can contribute to the sciences. We already have more than enough uneducated-but-brilliant people here.
 

xiggi

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Well, thank god education isn't a factor.
My grandfather was an uneducated, but brilliant, man and he was an immigrant.

Come on Dave, I expected better from you of all people.
Education is a big factor, as others pointed out times have changed. Just a few decades ago you could get a job at the big three without a high school degree, now you can't hardly get a fast food job without a ged. Always exceptions but a high percentage with an education are going to be on assistance, or expediters
 
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coalminer

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You do realize why there are so many "entitlement" programs right? (I hate that word by the way). When the rich sent the jobs to Mexico and China, they realized that the people they put on the unemployment line now don't have the money to buy the junk they are making overseas, so they had their employees ( our elected officials) create ways for the government to give money to the poor so they could buy the stuff that is being produced elsewhere now.

I know what you are thinking, that it cant continue like this, and you are right, taxes are going up on the middle class to pay for it. Tax the middle class, give it to the poor so the money funnels up to the rich.

The concentration of wealth continues.......
 

jjtdrv4u

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stop all the foreign aid giveaway programs and we could pay off all our debts and take care of our own,
problem is both parties have sent our money to virtually all countries on earth, and we have not gotten back much in return, this has been going on forever, and they will never learn that we can not buy friends and allies overseas anywhere...if we could, all the foreign freeloader countries would have our back...but that ain't gonna happen, so, cut 'em off, no more money to anywhere.
 
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LDB

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Yes, including to the U.N. and kick them out of N.Y. while they're at it. Instead of trillions of dollars we should be in biggest stick diplomacy and in the position for it.
 

xiggi

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Raise the import tax, the price of the product goes up and guess who gets to pay for it.
 
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davekc

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Raise the import tax, the price of the product goes up and guess who gets to pay for it.

That is why I would be opposed to that. The less fortunate would be the first to get impacted by that. In place of that, I think we would get more mileage out of cutting foreign aid to these countries. Import tariffs can be good for business, but main street would feel the impact immediately. Too many shop at Walmart. lol
 

JohnWC

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Yes but it would allow for American manufacturer to complete against country's that don't have any workers rights or government regulations that increases the end price on the product and a fair trade Act would be if they buy a million dollars of American goods that their first million wouldn't have tariffs on them
 
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xiggi

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Or they just stop importing American products and agricultural items as long as we have increased tarrifs.More people out of jobs
 

jjtdrv4u

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we feed the world right now, sending all kinds of food stuffs to russia, china, etc.
if they want to eat, then they have to deal with us...on everything.
 

xiggi

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When did China and Russia worry obout how much food their people have. We have to remember the media in those countries are controlled by the goverment. They will be fully convinced it is our fault they have a shortage not that of their own goverments.
 

Turtle

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we feed the world right now, sending all kinds of food stuffs to russia, china, etc.
if they want to eat, then they have to deal with us...on everything.
The notion that America Feeds The World is largely a myth, anyway, perpetuated by industrial agriculture as a defense in using large-scale, technology-driven agriculture (including pesticides and genetically modified seed). American-style farming doesn't really grow food for hungry people. Forty percent of our biggest crop, corn, goes into fuel for cars. Most of the second-biggest crop, soybeans, is fed to animals. It is true that bigger harvests in the U.S. tend to make food more affordable around the world, supply driving the prices, and of course lower food prices are a good thing for poor people. Chinese pigs, for example, are growing fat on cheap soybean meal grown by farmers in the U.S. and Brazil, and that's one reason why hundreds of millions of people in China are eating much better than a generation or two ago, as they can afford to buy pork. So American farmers who grow soybeans are kind-of-sort-of justified in saying that they help feed the world, but without American soybeans China would just grow their own and it would cost more to buy pork.

The US produces about 10 percent of the world's wheat. We export about 20 of the world's wheat, though, thanks to cheap industrial agricultural practices. Russia exports about thew same or a little bit more of the world's wheat. The US and Russia produce about the same amount of wheat, but India produces a third more than the US, China produces twice what we do, and the EU produces 2.5 times the wheat we do. So they really don't have to deal with us on anything if they want to eat.
 

jjtdrv4u

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The notion that America Feeds The World is largely a myth, anyway, perpetuated by industrial agriculture as a defense in using large-scale, technology-driven agriculture (including pesticides and genetically modified seed). American-style farming doesn't really grow food for hungry people. Forty percent of our biggest crop, corn, goes into fuel for cars. Most of the second-biggest crop, soybeans, is fed to animals. It is true that bigger harvests in the U.S. tend to make food more affordable around the world, supply driving the prices, and of course lower food prices are a good thing for poor people. Chinese pigs, for example, are growing fat on cheap soybean meal grown by farmers in the U.S. and Brazil, and that's one reason why hundreds of millions of people in China are eating much better than a generation or two ago, as they can afford to buy pork. So American farmers who grow soybeans are kind-of-sort-of justified in saying that they help feed the world, but without American soybeans China would just grow their own and it would cost more to buy pork.

The US produces about 10 percent of the world's wheat. We export about 20 of the world's wheat, though, thanks to cheap industrial agricultural practices. Russia exports about thew same or a little bit more of the world's wheat. The US and Russia produce about the same amount of wheat, but India produces a third more than the US, China produces twice what we do, and the EU produces 2.5 times the wheat we do. So they really don't have to deal with us on anything if they want to eat.
there you go again, letting your facts get in the way of a good fable, lol...
 
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Turtle

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It's amazing how many foodstuffs we export, and then import the same exact foods stuffs.
 

davekc

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It's amazing how many foodstuffs we export, and then import the same exact foods stuffs.

If you follow the futures market, you can see a lot of this unfold before your very eyes. One place that Trump is right on is watching all the manipulation of currency. It isn't just China doing that kind of gaming.
 
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