dieseldiva
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If the study is skewed, in your opinions (turtle and pallud), are you then saying that you believe that no discrimination exists or that is does exist but the numbers are incorrect?
The Myth Of Male Power
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greg334
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Well here is the thing, no matter what the problem is with the wage differences, it is the fault of the women in general and the movements that are involved.
Before anyone jumps on me, I know there are a few, here is my point.
Maybe a number of women who made it to the top should have done more than just have golden parachutes and be a false leaders of their company's. I don't mean just in small/medium companies but rather large ones. What I have always wondered is why didn't they take up the cause while being a CEO of ... say a fortune 100 company instead of maintaining the practices that limited them in the first place remain.
Shouldn't we asked Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina what improvements they made to eBay and HP respectfully?
I bet if you do, they would make some excuse up about fighting the culture and so on, which is odd with eBay but would make sense with HP who seems to profit from that practice overseas. Those two among hundreds more seem not to make much of it any impact on this or other issues which women face which like other things that have been corrected, like worker wages in general, it only took a handful of people to start it rolling - not hundreds.
So while many women hold those two and others up as great examples, I don't see them nothing more then the problems that existed in the first place but in different clothes.
TO make sure you all understand, I don't have an issue with equal pay or things that make a distinction between genders.
Before anyone jumps on me, I know there are a few, here is my point.
Maybe a number of women who made it to the top should have done more than just have golden parachutes and be a false leaders of their company's. I don't mean just in small/medium companies but rather large ones. What I have always wondered is why didn't they take up the cause while being a CEO of ... say a fortune 100 company instead of maintaining the practices that limited them in the first place remain.
Shouldn't we asked Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina what improvements they made to eBay and HP respectfully?
I bet if you do, they would make some excuse up about fighting the culture and so on, which is odd with eBay but would make sense with HP who seems to profit from that practice overseas. Those two among hundreds more seem not to make much of it any impact on this or other issues which women face which like other things that have been corrected, like worker wages in general, it only took a handful of people to start it rolling - not hundreds.
So while many women hold those two and others up as great examples, I don't see them nothing more then the problems that existed in the first place but in different clothes.
TO make sure you all understand, I don't have an issue with equal pay or things that make a distinction between genders.
paullud
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I absolutely believe there is some discrimination towards women in the workplace but it is an incredibly small percentage. If you look at the studies they are just comparing women and men but never bothered calculating for variables, which was impossible to do based on the information they used. The very basic fundamentals of any study would tell you that you need to know the variables and take them into account. You can't just say well 52% of the female workforce took a minimum of a year off but we won't bother considering that that's over half your test sample.
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By and large, it doesn't exist insofar as pay discrimination is concerned. The equal pay laws more or less prevent it. Male and female workers side by side are generally paid the same, taking into account things like service time, education and other factors. Women tend to be in lower paying jobs than men, but the men in those same jobs side by side are also paid the same wage as the women, not more. But if you look at income tax returns in the aggregate, men earn more as a group, but don't necessarily make more for the same jobs, they simply earn more overall because they either work more hours or because they as a group are in higher paying jobs.
I'd say the disparity in a field such as trucking can be attributed to the last bit of Turtle's statement - men often are in different jobs in trucking: flatbed and tankers. Both pay more, and require more than average strength [tarps and hoses/connections are freakin HEAVY], which discourages women from doing those jobs.
There is the additional factor of seniority: men have a lot more years in the field, esp company drivers, where most of the numbers derive.
Women may catch up in the latter category, but I don't see the requirement for muscle mass changing much. It's just a fact we live with: there are jobs we cannot do, and equality is as illusory as fairness, and that's that.
There is the additional factor of seniority: men have a lot more years in the field, esp company drivers, where most of the numbers derive.
Women may catch up in the latter category, but I don't see the requirement for muscle mass changing much. It's just a fact we live with: there are jobs we cannot do, and equality is as illusory as fairness, and that's that.
Camper
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Another aspect of this issue is this double standard with respect to those entering professions that are dominated by the opposite gender. For instance, men entering nursing are far more likely to be looked upon as being abnormal(not manly), whereas a woman, in say trucking is more likely to be lauded("you go girl").
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Camper
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According to the handful of male nurses I know, that hasn't always been their experience. There's always an element(mostly wwII era and early baby boomers) who tend to be less than admiring.
Yes, it is. That doesn't mean those attitudes aren't prevalent.
My experience with respect to women in the industry has been that their male counterparts go out of their way to be accommodating, almost to a fault. Grant it, there remains a bit of a chauvinist element in the industry as there is in many others.
As far as how strangers view their line of work, it's a mixed bag. Some get looked down upon as do many male truck drivers(btw) but that attitude isn't quite as widespread as you might think, not based on my experience, anyway.
Almost two decades in the industry,
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paullud
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Some of these latest comments have me breathing fire out of my nostrils !!but not goning there.
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Go there but be nice, maybe there is a misunderstanding.
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