The Myth Of Male Power

dieseldiva · Sep 5, 2011

leezaback said:
Quit you're whinning !! it's still a mans world. life is not always fair, both sexes know this. It was no so much that women totaly equality-but to be recoginized like the men-to be aknowledged as a human being and not a door mat.
Many areas I agree-what good for the goose-should be good for the gander.
I like it when a man tells me I should be barefoot and pregnant-been there-done that-I'm 57 ! not the Duggarts ! barn door closed !
Do I want equal pay for the same job ? heck yeah !! Do I want you to open my car door? that would be nice.

Outside one's home-man still rules, inside the home it's my Queendom!
On another note- I say the next President should be a woman !
you men have been screwing it up for centuries ! let a woman in and do what we do best--cleaning up after you !

LOL.....and besides all that.............we control the "you know what" !!!!

OntarioVanMan · Sep 5, 2011

dieseldiva said:
LOL.....and besides all that.............we control the "you know what" !!!!

oh gawd..if it ain't the Queen of Kings....LOL

dieseldiva · Sep 5, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
I am amazed some womens group is not screaming discrimination somewhere....I mean they wanted my job and got it..they wanted the same pay and got it....where's the right in this all?

Actually that's not correct. Women STILL make only 77 cents to the man's dollar.

As far as the rest of your comments....I never wanted "your" job.....I was forced to seek it when my children's father decided it wasn't his responsibility to financially take care of his children. I don't know what it's like in the corporate world but the world I've lived in, most of the women I worked with were there for the same reason. I've worked jobs that a lot of men would turn their nose up at, just to raise my kids, so when you pop off about us women "wanting your job", there's probably a good chance that we really didn't want it but had to try to get it to survive.

You needed to do your homework on the "equal pay" aspect and give more thought as to why any woman would want to work in the places that you have.

P.S. Better brace yourself, something tells me that Cheri will be along later to rip into you all over again!

OntarioVanMan · Sep 5, 2011

dieseldiva said:
Actually that's not correct. Women STILL make only 77 cents to the man's dollar.

As far as the rest of your comments....I never wanted "your" job.....I was forced to seek it when my children's father decided it wasn't his responsibility to financially take care of his children. I don't know what it's like in the corporate world but the world I've lived in, most of the women I worked with were there for the same reason. I've worked jobs that a lot of men would turn their nose up at, just to raise my kids, so when you pop off about us women "wanting your job", there's probably a good chance that we really didn't want it but had to try to get it to survive.

You needed to do your homework on the "equal pay" aspect and give more thought as to why any woman would want to work in the places that you have.

P.S. Better brace yourself, something tells me that Cheri will be along later to rip into you all over again!

oh sure...bring up details...now it is all the mans fault...

jujubeans · Sep 5, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
oh sure...bring up details...now it is all the mans fault...

Of course it is...and a wise man would zip his lips about now...cuz you WILL be outnumbered..*winking at DD*

OntarioVanMan · Sep 5, 2011

jujubeans said:
Of course it is...and a wise man would zip his lips about now...cuz you WILL be outnumbered..*winking at DD*

oh, oh....this "male power" is outta here..

..exit stage right>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

jujubeans · Sep 5, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
oh, oh....this "male power" is outta here....exit stage right>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I knew I married a smart man!

leezaback · Sep 5, 2011

Actually-there are jobs I don't want-and I am sure jobs that women have that men don't want.
Some jobs a women cannot physically do-it's in the design.

An example of a job men don't want--

Remember when you had the first child ? how proud-you bowed up-fluffed those feathers-strutted around ''i DID THAT !! such pride.
We women want that job---instead-we were the ones PUSHING A BASKETBALL THRU A KEY HOLE !!!!!!!

If you guy are feeling left out-the job is yours!!

equal ?

cheri1122 · Sep 5, 2011

I don't know why women are exempt from the draft, [maybe because they are still the primary caregivers for infants & children?], but it wasn't my idea, so don't even try dumping it in my lap.
As Diva pointed out, the wage gap still exists, and men are still earning more money. If I'm doing the same job as a man, then H$LL YES I want the same pay! Sometimes, I deserve more, because as Turtle pointed out, men and women are different, and one big difference is that I don't have the muscle mass of a man, which makes those jobs requiring brute [nifty word, eh?

] strength that much harder for me to accomplish, but accomplish them I do.
I don't think it's sexist to hold a door open - it's a common courtesy. I hold doors for men, women hold doors for me, it's not a gender thing, it's just good manners.
3rd graders being charged with harrassment for kissing girls? Pretty stupid, but they have to be charging the girls, too, cause at that age, the girls are just as aggressive, lol. Boys don't get 'cooties' for another year or two, I think.....
AndI think JJ's sigline applies to much of the whole subject: stop looking for things to be offended about. [Cause there's enough without going after them.]

Camper · Sep 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
I don't know why women are exempt from the draft, [maybe because they are still the primary caregivers for infants & children?], but it wasn't my idea, so don't even try dumping it in my lap.

Well, It would be interesting to see how the feminists reacted if women we required to register.

I don't believe women should have the equal opportunity to serve if they don't have the equal obligation as men to register for the draft.

Fair is fair..

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paullud · Sep 6, 2011

dieseldiva said:
Actually that's not correct. Women STILL make only 77 cents to the man's dollar.

As far as the rest of your comments....I never wanted "your" job.....I was forced to seek it when my children's father decided it wasn't his responsibility to financially take care of his children. I don't know what it's like in the corporate world but the world I've lived in, most of the women I worked with were there for the same reason. I've worked jobs that a lot of men would turn their nose up at, just to raise my kids, so when you pop off about us women "wanting your job", there's probably a good chance that we really didn't want it but had to try to get it to survive.

You needed to do your homework on the "equal pay" aspect and give more thought as to why any woman would want to work in the places that you have.

P.S. Better brace yourself, something tells me that Cheri will be along later to rip into you all over again!

The studies that show women make less than men are always trying to prove that exact outcome so they are biased. They need to take men and women that have put in the same time at the job, have similar education, and the same confidence level. The fact is that you are unlikely to ever find that because women take time off for pregnancy, rarely have the same aggressive or confident attitude, and the bigger issue is a lot try to flirt their way up which immediately stops them from moving up or be viewed as an equal.

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scottm4211 · Sep 6, 2011

This should get interesting. Thanks Paul

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

scottm4211 said:
This should get interesting. Thanks Paul

What? I said a lot not all try to flirt. Women tend to flirt when they want something, that waitress isn't calling you "Honey" because she thinks you are sweet, she wants a bigger tip. As soon as they start using this method men are going to objectify them and will no longer have the same amount of respect.

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dieseldiva · Sep 6, 2011

paullud said:
The studies that show women make less than men are always trying to prove that exact outcome so they are biased. They need to take men and women that have put in the same time at the job, have similar education, and the same confidence level. The fact is that you are unlikely to ever find that because women take time off for pregnancy, rarely have the same aggressive or confident attitude, and the bigger issue is a lot try to flirt their way up which immediately stops them from moving up or be viewed as an equal.

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I cannot believe, in 2011, we're still having this conversation.

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

dieseldiva said:
I cannot believe, in 2011, we're still having this conversation.

The thing we need to look at are the environments that this is happening to put it all in context. How much less is your company paying you because you are a woman?

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dieseldiva · Sep 6, 2011

paullud said:
The thing we need to look at are the environments that this is happening to put it all in context. How much less is your company paying you because you are a woman?

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Since I've been in expediting, no less, before that, lots. To "put it all in context", I've been there, have you? These reports aren't based on comparing apples to oranges, I think they're smart enough to make the comparisons from like environments.

scottm4211 · Sep 6, 2011

dieseldiva said:
I cannot believe, in 2011, we're still having this conversation.

Really? This isn't the most forward thinking messageboard....

Turtle · Sep 6, 2011

This one jumped out at me from the article:

"And those who pick male-dominated fields earn less than men too: female truck drivers, for instance, earn just 76.5% of the weekly pay of their male counterparts."

That's an awfully broad, unqualified matter-of-fact statement about something in which we know not to be true. It's very easy to pick and choose the statistics you want in order to come up with a desired result, which casts a shadow of doubt on these studies. A carrier that pays X-dollars per mile is going to pay that whether it is to a man or a woman.

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

dieseldiva said:
Since I've been in expediting, no less, before that, lots. To "put it all in context", I've been there, have you? These reports aren't based on comparing apples to oranges, I think they're smart enough to make the comparisons from like environments.

No actually they are not, read the 5th paragraph down in the article you posted.

"Over a period of 15 years, according to a 2004 study by the Institute for Women's Policy Research (IWPR), a full 52% of women in the prime earning age range of 26 to 59 go through at least one full calendar year earning nothing at all, compared with just 16% of men."

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paullud · Sep 6, 2011

Turtle said:
This one jumped out at me from the article:

"And those who pick male-dominated fields earn less than men too: female truck drivers, for instance, earn just 76.5% of the weekly pay of their male counterparts."

That's an awfully broad, unqualified matter-of-fact statement about something in which we know not to be true. It's very easy to pick and choose the statistics you want in order to come up with a desired result, which casts a shadow of doubt on these studies. A carrier that pays X-dollars per mile is going to pay that whether it is to a man or a woman.

I saw that and was trying to think of the many reasons for it and one certainly isn't sexism. I was thinking it may have something to do with more male O/O's vs. company drivers or the HOS being viewed as more of a suggestion than law by men.

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