The madness of Fergerson

[Pilgrim]

There are two main issues of blacks taking advice from whites on how to solve black people problems. One is, few whites have experience in being black. It's like expediters on EO getting expediting advice from Brisco. The other is, the advice from whites, whether intentional or not, can usually be boiled down to, "You need to be more white."

The advice from whites and successful blacks is usually "you need to be more educated". Unfortunately, in today's black culture that equates to being "more white". The role models most admired by today's black male youths are unfortunately, rappers, gang members and rogue pro athletes instead of people like Ben Carson and Herman Cain.

You need blacks in actual positions of actual power, like black cops and black legislators, but that alone is meaningless as long as the institutional bias remains, since the blacks in power will still be filtering everything they think, say and do through the sieve of oppression and entitlement, and whites will resent them for it.

Two thoughts come to mind: (1) Detroit had black mayors from Jan 1974 to Dec 2013, along with black leadership and council members. Of course they had a healthy dose of liberal economic and political policies to help them reach the situation they're in today; (2) Our country has been led for the past six years by a black POTUS with his many black assistants like Susan Rice and Eric Holder. He was elected by a majority of white voters. He was elected to a 2d term in spite of an awful record and we're still waiting for him to accomplish something positive. So far, he's done nothing but worsen the racial and cultural divide in this country.

The government needs to stop throwing money at a lot of things, but at education and poverty in particular. Every single problem the government throws money at gets worse. Every one.

The tapestry of America is complex and tightly woven. Other than the one exception, there is no single thread that can be tugged to make it better, or unravel it. That exception, of course, is the thread of 'liberal feel-good intentions." because it's a thread that always, always, always is connected to the threads of "unintended consequences." It's those feel-good intentions and unintended consequences that got us to where we are today. My advice would be to cut out the feel-good intentions thread, which will cause the unintended threads to fall out, and then take the needle and thread away from liberals because everything they do starts off looking great but ends up just making it worse.

Absolutely correct. Kind of like cutting off the free water for the freeloaders in Detroit who won't pay their bills. Now they're marching in the streets in protest of this "outrage".

 

[ripnrunning]

You don't know because mainstream media won't carry stories like that, it doesn't support their agenda. You do relize that blacks are not all related right? You all won't even admit that other races commit crimes. The way y'all put all blacks into the same category, would be the same if I said "all white males bang little boys, because alot of Catholic priest do it. IT IS RACIAL AND WRONG

 

[ripnrunning]

I'm not defending any criminals, I'm defending the PEOPLE that are judged daily based on the color they were born, but never committed a crime.

 

[davekc]

You don't know because mainstream media won't carry stories like that, it doesn't support their agenda. You do relize that blacks are not all related right? You all won't even admit that other races commit crimes. The way y'all put all blacks into the same category, would be the same if I said "all white males bang little boys, because alot of Catholic priest do it. IT IS RACIAL AND WRONG

Based on your post, it would seem you yourself are promoting a stereotype. Why? Because you have eluded that fleet owners don't hire "blacks" and that carriers basically have that same mentality. It may be true that some do, but I wouldn't lump them all together any more than I would lump a specific individual into a category. But it can be easier to categorize on a majority. Since I am a fleet owner, as I have posted before, we currently have a African American gentleman working for us. He is professional and gets the job done. It really is that simple. The two companies I contract to, both have many minorities within their ranks. Just a fact. I do agree with you that media puts out a spin that isn't favorable and hurts the ones that are succeeding and really need to be role models for struggling youths.

 

[ripnrunning]

I did sterotype. It suck doesn't it, now try living life being judge based on the actions of others.

 

[ripnrunning]

Well I'm not talking about any "minorities" im talking about blacks. See you grow up using racial slurs and when a black person is trying to have a conversation with you, you don't talk to him as a human being. You refer to blacks as "minorities" I'm American born and I've never been to Africa so how am I a African??

 

[davekc]

I didn't say you were. I was referring to our driver.

I did sterotype. It suck doesn't it, now try living life being judge based on the actions of others.

Everyone is judged. How one reacts to it is what makes the difference.

 

[ripnrunning]

Ok. But can you start a forum about race related issues else where? I'm trying to learn trucking, or at least warn people coming to this site that it's not about trucking. Thanks.

 

[Turtle]

Look racism is everywhere, criminals come in every race. Other races riot also (after hockey, soccer, football) they distroy businesses, throw things at police but never any mainstream media attention like when "WE" do get.

The difference is so stark and obvious it's comical (albeit incredibly frustrating for blacks, I'm sure). Post sporting event rioters and looters are virtually always described as fans being overly rambunctious, as a celebration that got out of control, as (college) kids doing what kids do. When it involves mostly blacks doing it, the rioters and looters are demonically described as vicious thugs and savages with no regard for law and order and no respect for others.

 

[ripnrunning]

It's crazy because when Katrina hit NOLA, the only coverage/videos of looting and distruction shown by mainstream media was black people. In reality us that experienced it first hand know whites and blacks commited these criminal acts hand n hand LITERALLY. You let mainstream media tell it, it was all of us "russians" isn't that what people refer to us as? Or do they refer to hispanics that way??

 

[davekc]

Ok. But can you start a forum about race related issues else where? I'm trying to learn trucking, or at least warn people coming to this site that it's not about trucking. Thanks.

Since you are new, you might not have realized that this specific forum (Soapbox) and a couple others are for subjects generally outside of trucking. Other forums are trucking/expedite specific and are listed accordingly.

 

[Turtle]

Ok. But can you start a forum about race related issues else where? I'm trying to learn trucking, or at least warn people coming to this site that it's not about trucking. Thanks.

That's an utterly ridiculous statement. A thread or a handful of threads on race, or religion, or politics in The Soapbox Forum is a teeny tiny fraction of what this site is. If you want to learn about expedite trucking, The Soapbox ain't the forum to spend your time reading. You should also stay out of the Woods and Waters Forum, and The Sports Page Forum, because those aren't about trucking, either.

 

[Turtle]

The advice from whites and successful blacks is usually "you need to be more educated". Unfortunately, in today's black culture that equates to being "more white". The role models most admired by today's black male youths are unfortunately, rappers, gang members and rogue pro athletes instead of people like Ben Carson and Herman Cain.

Not sure if I agree with the use of the word "rogue" here, since some of the most admired black athletes by black youth aren't rogue at all. But when you look at the black role models, they tend to be blacks who are "successful while being black." You don't see a lot of black role models who had to become a little whiter in order to be successful. Instead of being a role model, they're called an Oreo, and nobody aspires to be one of those.

Two thoughts come to mind: (1) Detroit had black mayors from Jan 1974 to Dec 2013, along with black leadership and council members. Of course they had a healthy dose of liberal economic and political policies to help them reach the situation they're in today; (2) Our country has been led for the past six years by a black POTUS with his many black assistants like Susan Rice and Eric Holder. He was elected by a majority of white voters. He was elected to a 2d term in spite of an awful record and we're still waiting for him to accomplish something positive. So far, he's done nothing but worsen the racial and cultural divide in this country.

Like I said, blacks in positions of power alone won't cut it, it won't change a thing. Everything they do, the way they think, gets colored by the institutional bias and the sense of entitlement that comes with it.

Absolutely correct. Kind of like cutting off the free water for the freeloaders in Detroit who won't pay their bills. Now they're marching in the streets in protest of this "outrage".

That's the sense of entitlement that a couple of generations of institutionalized bias gets you. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Give a man a fish day after day and pretty soon he thinks your fish are his fish.

 

[ripnrunning]

I see and apologize.I don't know how I ended up here. Why do so many truckers have racist views?? Maybe plumbing, or even restaurant dishwasher would be a better career choice for ME? Turtle don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

 

[fr8hlr521]

I see and apologize.I don't know how I ended up here. Why do so many truckers have racist views?? Maybe plumbing, or even restaurant dishwasher would be a better career choice for ME? Turtle don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

I think many plumbers probably do better, financially, than many truckers/expeditors. That being said, I will cling to my idealistic view that a person's ability to achieve is mainly constrained by his/her self-imposed limitations.

 

[Turtle]

I see and apologize.I don't know how I ended up here. Why do so many truckers have racist views?? Maybe plumbing, or even restaurant dishwasher would be a better career choice for ME?

So many truckers have racist views because truckers are people, too. Everybody, and I do mean everybody, is racist to one degree or another.

Turtle don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

I think you'll find that I try very hard to respond to the post rather that the poster. When someone posts something intelligent I'll respond in kind. When someone posts something stupid, there ya go. It doesn't matter whether the poster is stupid or intelligent, I only go by what they post.

 

[ripnrunning]

What year did you graduate from harvard?? Have a good life. Also based on your comments 85.9 percent are illogical and idiotic, I guess it's safe to conclude that yo're an idiot? Let me stop before the {TEXT DELETED, Code of Conduct violation = Turtle} comments start flooding this board."

 

[skyraider]

Sometimes I races to the store, then I races to the doctor, then I races to bathroom, yep I be a races,,,,see, now that didn't hurt.............lighten up you all.

 

[Turtle]

What year did you graduate from harvard?? Have a good life. Also based on your comments 85.9 percent are illogical and idiotic, I guess it's safe to conclude that yo're an idiot? Let me stop before the {TEXT DELETED, Code of Conduct violation = Turtle} comments start flooding this board."

Thanks for providing us with an excellent example of someone who is otherwise intelligent posting something that's just butt stoopid.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I see and apologize.I don't know how I ended up here. Why do so many truckers have racist views?? Maybe plumbing, or even restaurant dishwasher would be a better career choice for ME? Turtle don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

Like I said before, racist and racism are relative terms.

Don't worry about Turtle. He does that to everyone.