The Global Warming Hoax.

[layoutshooter]

Did you get that memo? lol

You guys are right. We peaked in what, 1945? We can't possibly lead the world into the future. Electric cars? Let China build them. Solar power and the ability to unplug from the grid? (aka flipping off your util company) Let the Europeans do that.

It's pathetic, just pathetic.

Electric cars are a joke, and will be until they are environmentally sound, get some range, size and ability to carry toys.

Wind just blows!

Solar would be OK only IF they NEVER cover up one bit of wildlife habitat. Cover roofs, not open land.

Nothing is stopping you from going off the grid, just do it! YOU pay for it if that is what you want. Your choice, your responsibility to cover the costs. THAT is how FREEDOM WORKS! Ain't it great? You want it, you buy it, you own it! How simple is that?

 

[Turtle]

(aka flipping off your util company)

Naive. Oh, so naive.

Oklahoma Utilities Hit Homes Using Solar With Extra Fee - weather.com

Arizona Wants to 'Tax' Solar Power | TakePart

Nationally, electric utilities see distributive power generation - particularly from rooftop solar - as a threat to their business model. A 2013 report by the Edison Electric Institute, the industry’s trade group, warned of “a day when battery storage technology or micro turbines could allow customers to be electric grid independent.”

Fights between utilities and solar users over surcharges have popped up in other states, too, including Arizona, California, Hawaii and South Carolina. It's just the beginning.

 

[layoutshooter]

The other problem is that people want someone else to pay for them to go off grid. Like it's the government's job to tax Paul so Peter can afford to go off gird. Then the state can tax Peter on his project.

 

[WanderngFool]

Electric cars are a joke, and will be until they are environmentally sound, get some range, size and ability to carry toys.

Wind just blows!

Solar would be OK only IF they NEVER cover up one bit of wildlife habitat. Cover roofs, not open land.

Nothing is stopping you from going off the grid, just do it! YOU pay for it if that is what you want. Your choice, your responsibility to cover the costs. THAT is how FREEDOM WORKS! Ain't it great? You want it, you buy it, you own it! How simple is that?

Do you realize how terrible the automobile was when it first came out? They had to rebuild the engines after just a few hundred miles. My dad told me several times about how they used to file down spark plugs to try and get the contraptions to run.

Remember points? I do. Cars in the 60s still sucked. An emory board or nail file was required equipment in the glove box and sooner or later you'd be on the side of the road trying to get the points right.

It doesn't take all that much imagination to "get" electric cars. Right now they have limited range. It wouldn't take much to give them a theoretical infinite range. All it would take is having the car dangle a wire as it rolls down the highway. A driverless car could travel in a perfect enough line to make sure contact is maintained. The car would only need enough battery to handle the time it leaves the highway until it reenters.

You don't like that scenario? Here's a simpler one. They're talking about nanotube thingamagigs enhanced lithium batteries. Whatever that is!

Not to worry though. We shouldn't concern ourselves about the future. Our role in this world is to relive the glories of yesteryear until people just tune us out the way people tune out old folks.

 

[layoutshooter]

Do you realize how terrible the automobile was when it first came out? They had to rebuild the engines after just a few hundred miles. My dad told me several times about how they used to file down spark plugs to try and get the contraptions to run.

Remember points? I do. Cars in the 60s still sucked. An emory board or nail file was required equipment in the glove box and sooner or later you'd be on the side of the road trying to get the points right.

It doesn't take all that much imagination to "get" electric cars. Right now they have limited range. It wouldn't take much to give them a theoretical infinite range. All it would take is having the car dangle a wire as it rolls down the highway. A driverless car could travel in a perfect enough line to make sure contact is maintained. The car would only need enough battery to handle the time it leaves the highway until it reenters.

You don't like that scenario? Here's a simpler one. They're talking about nanotube thingamagigs enhanced lithium batteries. Whatever that is!

Not to worry though. We shouldn't concern ourselves about the future. Our role in this world is to relive the glories of yesteryear until people just tune us out the way people tune out old folks.

I am NOT opposed to this NEW stuff, although batteries are VERY damaging to the environment as they are today.

What I am opposed to is the government paying for development. THAT is the job of industry, NOT government. The government has NO business IN business and NO business taking MY hard earned wages and using that to gamble on things that they have NO CLUE ABOUT!.

Government is in the way. Their meddling in the markets, and the business world, is the primary reason we are no longer advancing.

Government cannot be the solution for our problems when they are the cause of them.

 

[WanderngFool]

Naive. Oh, so naive.

Oklahoma Utilities Hit Homes Using Solar With Extra Fee - weather.com

Arizona Wants to 'Tax' Solar Power | TakePart

Nationally, electric utilities see distributive power generation - particularly from rooftop solar - as a threat to their business model. A 2013 report by the Edison Electric Institute, the industry’s trade group, warned of “a day when battery storage technology or micro turbines could allow customers to be electric grid independent.”

Fights between utilities and solar users over surcharges have popped up in other states, too, including Arizona, California, Hawaii and South Carolina. It's just the beginning.

Not the least bit naive. In fact I read an interesting article not long ago about the uneasy alliance between the Koch brothers and the utilities companies regarding monthly fees for unplugging. Sorry but I don't have a link. The upshot was that it places Governors (and they mentioned Arizona specifically) in a odd anti-libertarian position.

As I recall the amount of the monthly fee was only $5. Btw, have you considered that the average trucker lives "off the grid". (yes I do realize that we aren't selling our excess electricity to the utils so there is that major difference, but we do utilize many of the same technologies)

 

[Turtle]

Not the least bit naive. In fact I read an interesting article not long ago about the uneasy alliance between the Koch brothers and the utilities companies regarding monthly fees for unplugging. Sorry but I don't have a link. The upshot was that it places Governors (and they mentioned Arizona specifically) in a odd anti-libertarian position.

As I recall the amount of the monthly fee was only $5. Btw, have you considered that the average trucker lives "off the grid". (yes I do realize that we aren't selling our excess electricity to the utils so there is that major difference, but we do utilize many of the same technologies)

The Koch brother alliance ain't all that uneasy. Koch and utility companies are after the same thing.
The fee can be as low as $5, or as high as $200 per month, usually closer to the upper range. My aunt in Tuscon pays a solar surcharge of $145 per month for being off the grid.

As for truckers off the grid, yes, it's something I'm slightly familiar with. Truckers and sailboats and boondockers all have much more in common than people realize.

 

[davekc]

Again, stop drinking the Koolaid and follow the money. If something is worth while, without government money, then the private market will pickup on it, and capitalize on it. Don't need the government. The only reason people invest in the green energy projects is because they get money from the government.
If you really, really, really, want clean, then natural gas is your answer. Oops, can't have that because it is primarily owned by the oil industry. Have to have profitable diversions.
As for batteries and electric cars, they do nothing for the environment. You burn more carbon through the power plants to supply the power than you do with gasoline or natural gas.
Tougher sell though as folks in the "green" industry don't have their money parked there.

 

[WanderngFool]

The Koch brother alliance ain't all that uneasy. Koch and utility companies are after the same thing.
The fee can be as low as $5, or as high as $200 per month, usually closer to the upper range. My aunt in Tuscon pays a solar surcharge of $145 per month for being off the grid.

As for truckers off the grid, yes, it's something I'm slightly familiar with. Truckers and sailboats and boondockers all have much more in common than people realize.

When I said uneasy alliance, I was referring to the natural alliance between the Koch brothers and libertarians and how living off the grid is (according to the article I read) a popular thing with them. So the Koch brothers teaming up with utils and grabbing a little clip probably feels to the libertarians like the Koch brothers care a lot more about oil profits than they do about individual rights. Which of course earns a big "ya think?"

I had no idea that the unplug fee could be that high. So your aunt is selling more than $145 worth of electric to the util and they subtract $145 from what they owe her each month? If that's the case, she could have installed less capacity and not tried to sell the excess but she probably had her reasons.

 

[Turtle]

I had no idea that the unplug fee could be that high. So your aunt is selling more than $145 worth of electric to the util and they subtract $145 from what they owe her each month? If that's the case, she could have installed less capacity and not tried to sell the excess but she probably had her reasons.

That's more or less the case, but it's more complicated. Back when she installed the capacity there weren't any surcharges, so it made sense to add as much as you wanted. Now, the more you have the more it costs you on the backend. It's a racket. The electric company essentially gets the same money from you whether you use their electricity or your own, either in the form of dollars or in the form of electricity.

 

[WanderngFool]

That's more or less the case, but it's more complicated. Back when she installed the capacity there weren't any surcharges, so it made sense to add as much as you wanted. Now, the more you have the more it costs you on the backend. It's a racket. The electric company essentially gets the same money from you whether you use their electricity or your own, either in the form of dollars or in the form of electricity.

I hate it when they change the rules after you sign up for something.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Naive. Oh, so naive.

Oklahoma Utilities Hit Homes Using Solar With Extra Fee - weather.com

Arizona Wants to 'Tax' Solar Power | TakePart

Nationally, electric utilities see distributive power generation - particularly from rooftop solar - as a threat to their business model. A 2013 report by the Edison Electric Institute, the industry’s trade group, warned of “a day when battery storage technology or micro turbines could allow customers to be electric grid independent.”

Fights between utilities and solar users over surcharges have popped up in other states, too, including Arizona, California, Hawaii and South Carolina. It's just the beginning.

SD has no electricity buyback laws on the books...the utilities just don't want to deal with it...

 

[layoutshooter]

I hate it when they change the rules after you sign up for something.

You mean like with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the famous "If you like your policy you can keep it!"?

 

[WanderngFool]

You mean like with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the famous "If you like your policy you can keep it!"?

Social Security was designed to be changed and they were up front about that. It was phased in over time.

I would guess the same is true with medicare and medicaid but I'm just guessing. I haven't followed either of those programs very closely.

Obama's gaff? Yup, it was a stupid thing to say and he stepped in it.

 

[layoutshooter]

Social Security was designed to be changed and they were up front about that. It was phased in over time.

I would guess the same is true with medicare and medicaid but I'm just guessing. I haven't followed either of those programs very closely.

Obama's gaff? Yup, it was a stupid thing to say and he stepped in it.

I believe it's because that government is dishonest, lies about everything, and will do what ever it takes to rip off the People and control every aspect of their lives. They will promise the moon and deliver moldy cheese.

Just like when Obama, and his stooges, say that there are NO "sporting uses" for "AR" style rifles. ANYONE who know ANYTHING about "AR" style rifles, knows that is an ABSOLUTE LIE! Obama is a shyster, nothing more, so is our government. It's time to end the BS and get rid of the bums.

Obama did not "Step in it" when he said, "IF you like your policy, you can keep it", it was a deliberate lie, to get a VERY bad bill passed. He is a sneaky, devious, BS'er who is VERY GOOD at fooling fools.

Obama is, at best, an elitist , who wants to change our representative republic into an oligarchy, controlled by those who believe that they should "care" for those who they are superior to. At worst, a tin horn, dictator wanna be.

 

[WanderngFool]

I believe it's because that government is dishonest, lies about everything, and will do what ever it takes to rip off the People and control every aspect of their lives. They will promise the moon and deliver moldy cheese.

Just like when Obama, and his stooges, say that there are NO "sporting uses" for "AR" style rifles. ANYONE who know ANYTHING about "AR" style rifles, knows that is an ABSOLUTE LIE! Obama is a shyster, nothing more, so is our government. It's time to end the BS and get rid of the bums.

Obama did not "Step in it" when he said, "IF you like your policy, you can keep it", it was a deliberate lie, to get a VERY bad bill passed. He is a sneaky, devious, BS'er who is VERY GOOD at fooling fools.

Obama is, at best, an elitist , who wants to change our representative republic into an oligarchy, controlled by those who believe that they should "care" for those who they are superior to. At worst, a tin horn, dictator wanna be.

But the real question is, do you feel better now?

People are flawed. People in government are flawed. In fact, people in government are probably more flawed because no one in their right mind would put up with the abuse that the more visible members of the government have to put up with.

If the opportunity were handed to you, would you run for President? I sure as heck wouldn't. No way would I consider it for even a second. My every word sliced and diced like they do? My past opened up and every thing I've ever done or not done examined and judged like people do when they're engaged in bloodsport? Imagine having your every facial expression or personal mannerism and idiosyncrasy put under a microscope. And your family, what about them?

Sure they do it for the glory and they deserve the abuse they get. But by definition, we've allowed a system to develop that keeps the best and the brightest out of government. We should take some responsibility and maybe even cut the gov. people a little slack for the minor screwups.

But then again, I'm suggesting an ounce of compassion and I don't think you know that word.

 

[LDB]

ACID RAIN! ACID RAIN! ACID RAIN! OMG, THE END IS COMING! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! Oops, my bad, that was the hysterical, dumber than dirt, morons a generation ago. GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! OMG, THE END IS COMING! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! I just hope I live long enough to see what the next generation of hysterical, dumber than dirt, morons battle cry will be.

 

[Turtle]

You, uhm, prolly ought to do some research on acid rain. It's the primary cause of erosion of steel structures like bridges. It causes paint to peel, and kills plants and fish.

 

[davekc]

We should take some responsibility and maybe even cut the gov. people a little slack for the minor screwups.

Really? You are hilarious. The more slack we give them, the more bonuses they award themselves. You are too funny.

 

[LDB]

Oh, I realize acid rain isn't the best thing since sliced bread. That just was the thing back then like global warming is the thing now and 20 years from now global warming will be practically forgotten and something else will be the thing with the hystericals.