The Future of the Republican Party and USA

ATeam

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Especially mass mailings of ballots. Consider the hoards of people moving out of places like CA and NY whose defunct addresses would receive ballots.
For every hypothetical scenario you offer, a hypothetical solution can be also offered. And in some cases, a real-world and proven solution can also be offered.

Here's more about the Oregon process and how the scenario you raise is successfully addressed.

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Each ballot has a unique barcode specific to each voter, so once the ballot is received, election officials can verify the signature on that ballot envelope to make sure it matches the one on that voter’s registration. There are often multiple reviews to guarantee it’s a match — Druckenmiller said if someone questions the signature, two other people will review it; if they’re not sure, he makes the final call. If the signature doesn’t match, voters are notified and given the opportunity to remedy that, in what’s known as a “cure” process.

But once a signature is verified, the ballot is separated from the return envelope so the ballot can be tabulated. Along the way, there are layers of auditing to make sure the number of ballots received matches the tabulated numbers for the vote count. Many see mail-in ballots as more secure because there’s a paper trail, and so can’t be hacked.

Oregon election officials get updates from public records, like change-of-address notifications and death records, to check against the voter registration databases. “We use the Postal Service. When most of us move, we change our address, right?” Paul Gronke, a professor of political science and director of the Early Voting Information Center at Reed College in Portland, told me. “And so actually, vote-by-mail works really well and has very little deadwood. The rolls are very clean.”

John Lindback, the elections division director from 2001 to 2009 at the Oregon secretary of state’s office, told me clerks even used to check divorce records to see if any spouse had ever tried to force an ex-partner to vote against their will. They never found anything.
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If you want to prevent voter fraud, or at least reduce it to near-zero, it seems to me the Oregon vote-by-mail system is the way to do that. The experience is an item of record. A strong majority of Oregon voters of all political stripes prefer it. History shows the accuracy of the count is better than the old system of polling places where people used t cast their votes. The studies have been done. The evidence shows the Oregon system is a highly effective way to reduce voter fraud to near zero.

I know of no better way to reduce voter fraud than this. If you do, I'd love to hear it. What would work better? What system would reduce voter fraud to a level lower than that of Oregon?
 
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Pilgrim

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Because identity theft is used by criminals to line their pockets, what does an individual voter gain by fraudulent voting?
Identity theft is used for a significant number of nefarious purposes besides lining pockets; falsifying citizenship is a prime example.
On the other hand, voter fraud has just one primary purpose: to get one's candidate of choice elected by whatever means necessary. However, a secondary purpose of voter fraud is often to line one's pockets. People get paid all the time to manufacture fraudulent votes or assist in that effort, and to vote for certain candidates. "Street money" has been used for decades in large metro areas and parts of the Deep South, especially to influence local and state elections.
 

RLENT

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You love to see it:

Texas ban on encouraging mail-in votes likely unconstitutional, judge rules

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ATeam

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RLENT

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That law is itself another example of voter suppression. In the past, election officials commonly encouraged people to vote and high turnout was seen as a good thing. This is a case where Republicans are using their power to stop election officials from encouraging citizens to vote, thereby reducing turnout. Voter suppression.

Nailed it.

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RLENT

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I recently watched three videos of this unhinged MAGA lunatic Karen's interactions with investigators from local DA's office and the police that were called to assist in serving the search warrant. Two of them were bodycam videos from officers that were on the scene.

It's 20 - 40 minutes of my life that I will never get back ... :tearsofjoy:

She was largely treated respectfully by the officers that interacted with her ... despite refusing to cooperate repeatedly, physically resisting being placed in handcuffs after she became combative, and attempting to kick an officer and/or an investigator.

Near as I can tell, she was not charged or cited for any of that conduct.

She did claim that the iPad in question was not hers when investigators asked her for the passcode to open it so they could obtain the contents.

She claimed that it belonged to ______ (don't recall the name)

When officers asked for a number for that individual so that they could contact her and get the passcode she refused and wouldn't give it to them.

This is your modern Trumper "Republican Party" folks.

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Ragman

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... despite refusing to cooperate repeatedly, physically resisting being placed in handcuffs after she became combative, and attempting to kick an officer and/or an investigator.

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If she was black they would have tazed her.
 
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Pilgrim

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For every hypothetical scenario you offer, a hypothetical solution can be also offered. And in some cases, a real-world and proven solution can also be offered.

Here's more about the Oregon process and how the scenario you raise is successfully addressed.

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Each ballot has a unique barcode specific to each voter, so once the ballot is received, election officials can verify the signature on that ballot envelope to make sure it matches the one on that voter’s registration. There are often multiple reviews to guarantee it’s a match — Druckenmiller said if someone questions the signature, two other people will review it; if they’re not sure, he makes the final call. If the signature doesn’t match, voters are notified and given the opportunity to remedy that, in what’s known as a “cure” process.

But once a signature is verified, the ballot is separated from the return envelope so the ballot can be tabulated. Along the way, there are layers of auditing to make sure the number of ballots received matches the tabulated numbers for the vote count. Many see mail-in ballots as more secure because there’s a paper trail, and so can’t be hacked.

Oregon election officials get updates from public records, like change-of-address notifications and death records, to check against the voter registration databases. “We use the Postal Service. When most of us move, we change our address, right?” Paul Gronke, a professor of political science and director of the Early Voting Information Center at Reed College in Portland, told me. “And so actually, vote-by-mail works really well and has very little deadwood. The rolls are very clean.”

John Lindback, the elections division director from 2001 to 2009 at the Oregon secretary of state’s office, told me clerks even used to check divorce records to see if any spouse had ever tried to force an ex-partner to vote against their will. They never found anything.
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If you want to prevent voter fraud, or at least reduce it to near-zero, it seems to me the Oregon vote-by-mail system is the way to do that. The experience is an item of record. A strong majority of Oregon voters of all political stripes prefer it. History shows the accuracy of the count is better than the old system of polling places where people used t cast their votes. The studies have been done. The evidence shows the Oregon system is a highly effective way to reduce voter fraud to near zero.

I know of no better way to reduce voter fraud than this. If you do, I'd love to hear it. What would work better? What system would reduce voter fraud to a level lower than that of Oregon?
About the only thing Oregon has in common with CA and NY is one-party Democrat rule. They've been dark blue and getting darker every year since voting Dukakis for president in '88, especially with the immigration of more blue voters from CA. They vote Democrat at every level - local, state and federal. They have a low crime rate, except for the recent events in Portland. Why even bother with voter fraud when the outcomes are pre-ordained?

They have a relatively small population that's concentrated in the western coastal area that's very liberal and 87% white. Not very diverse and not very transient; nothing like the states of CA, NY, FL, TX, or even GA. The idea of having enough administrative staff to conduct a "cure" process is any of these states is preposterous, especially the part about clerks personally checking for voter intimidation among divorced couples. That might work in Mayberry, but not Los Angeles or NYC where English is not likely to be the primary language spoken in a high percentage of households. Speaking of said clerks, the OR system seems to be dependent on a lot of human hands-on involvement in counting and confirming mailed-in votes, signatures, addresses, etc. The sheer scale of an operation like this in a high population state would exponentially increase the chance for errors and likelihood of fraud.

Regardless, vote-by-mail might work in states similar to OR and some might want to give it a try. But considering the corruption factor and its pervasiveness in the larger metro areas of larger states, vote-by-mail just presents more opportunities for fraud by the administrators and vote-counters. There's just not a one-size-fits-all solution to this problem, but requiring photo ID, proof of residence and US citizenship would go a long way to make it harder to cheat. If that makes voting a bit inconvenient, it falls under the responsibilities of citizenship.
 
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