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Veteran Expediter
Wow Bunch of clacking hens...
I go on a business trip for a couple days, just killing time checking in to a few sites and this is what happens to the soap box?
While I'm waiting for my plane to arrive so I can make my way back home, I've got some time to respond to this thread and some of the seemingly uninformed comments. Being it is a subject that I am passionate about, I can see only a couple of us here on EO knows exactly what Turtle has posted and why it is important.
The first thing that I have to say, and it is repeating what I said before – all these drugs have not been tested on children under the age of 17. The Pharma companies, one of which I worked for and helped with these outside studies, did not test any of their drugs on kids because the FDA would not allow it. They like other companies depended on and used outside studies which have a narrow question to answer or sponsor studies with a specific and very narrow requirements to limit liabilities or a chance of rejecting an SNDA. They, like others do not report any of the studies that they 'throw out' that didn't meet the outcome they wanted to meet and are not required to even disclose the ones they paid for. On top of this, our own FDA is … well... a rather useless organization and has actually done more harm than good in some of the processes they tried to streamline – like fast tracking NDAs. AND what matters most is we are one of two or three countries who allow advertising of drugs – a VERY bad thing.
The second thing I have to say is would you allow your (pick an age, 9 y ears old is a good one) kid take LSD?
If you are a parent who has given your kid any drugs like anti-depressants and they are under the age of 17, it is the same as giving them LSD. I'm not kidding and you can be offended or laugh all you want – it is very serious. LSD and a lot of these other psychotherapy drugs alter the mind through altering the way the nerves react or the way the pathways are used, unlike LSD, these drugs will and the worry is it can often cause permanent changes in the minds of children. It is very stupid to give a 9 year old LSD as much as it is to give them Zoloft.
The last thing that I have to say is many scrips are written by GPs and not by qualified doctors. A general practitioner know a little about mental health as they do about Cancer. You don't want your GP to write a script for Chemo as much as you don't want one to write a script for mental health drugs. The same has to be said about changing drugs, 20 to 40 days is the time needed to move from one drug to another is what the pharma companies found out and many many mental health professionals know this but ignore it.
Turtle's post is important, it isn't about joking around on who grew up how but how we all allow ourselves to be fooled into thinking we can have better lives through chemicals. We are ignoring some of these issues because we lump behavior of our kids into two categories while the adults have a few more that they are lumped into. One thing that gets me is the expansion of bi-polar behavior which was done to cover things that are normal. You must be bi-polar if you have mood swings but PMS does this (for the females who I heard are the leading the men in the bi-polar category).
The psychiatric people who tell us what is mental illness and what isn't, is changing things without a lot of real science behind these changes and what was normal back in the 60's is not normal today and needs to be professionally treated. THIS IS about the money made in practices with marginal mental health people who seem to lump everyone into the same mold. See mental health is not a cut and dry thing, medicating someone is not always needed and it sometimes takes a few times around to figure out what's going on.
By the way Layout, Obama has been the only president who has addressed mental health issues for combat vets, no other president has done that. So many of them are now getting care that they need and the VA has been hiring for that.
Got to go, planes here and they are waving me to it.
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I go on a business trip for a couple days, just killing time checking in to a few sites and this is what happens to the soap box?
While I'm waiting for my plane to arrive so I can make my way back home, I've got some time to respond to this thread and some of the seemingly uninformed comments. Being it is a subject that I am passionate about, I can see only a couple of us here on EO knows exactly what Turtle has posted and why it is important.
The first thing that I have to say, and it is repeating what I said before – all these drugs have not been tested on children under the age of 17. The Pharma companies, one of which I worked for and helped with these outside studies, did not test any of their drugs on kids because the FDA would not allow it. They like other companies depended on and used outside studies which have a narrow question to answer or sponsor studies with a specific and very narrow requirements to limit liabilities or a chance of rejecting an SNDA. They, like others do not report any of the studies that they 'throw out' that didn't meet the outcome they wanted to meet and are not required to even disclose the ones they paid for. On top of this, our own FDA is … well... a rather useless organization and has actually done more harm than good in some of the processes they tried to streamline – like fast tracking NDAs. AND what matters most is we are one of two or three countries who allow advertising of drugs – a VERY bad thing.
The second thing I have to say is would you allow your (pick an age, 9 y ears old is a good one) kid take LSD?
If you are a parent who has given your kid any drugs like anti-depressants and they are under the age of 17, it is the same as giving them LSD. I'm not kidding and you can be offended or laugh all you want – it is very serious. LSD and a lot of these other psychotherapy drugs alter the mind through altering the way the nerves react or the way the pathways are used, unlike LSD, these drugs will and the worry is it can often cause permanent changes in the minds of children. It is very stupid to give a 9 year old LSD as much as it is to give them Zoloft.
The last thing that I have to say is many scrips are written by GPs and not by qualified doctors. A general practitioner know a little about mental health as they do about Cancer. You don't want your GP to write a script for Chemo as much as you don't want one to write a script for mental health drugs. The same has to be said about changing drugs, 20 to 40 days is the time needed to move from one drug to another is what the pharma companies found out and many many mental health professionals know this but ignore it.
Turtle's post is important, it isn't about joking around on who grew up how but how we all allow ourselves to be fooled into thinking we can have better lives through chemicals. We are ignoring some of these issues because we lump behavior of our kids into two categories while the adults have a few more that they are lumped into. One thing that gets me is the expansion of bi-polar behavior which was done to cover things that are normal. You must be bi-polar if you have mood swings but PMS does this (for the females who I heard are the leading the men in the bi-polar category).
The psychiatric people who tell us what is mental illness and what isn't, is changing things without a lot of real science behind these changes and what was normal back in the 60's is not normal today and needs to be professionally treated. THIS IS about the money made in practices with marginal mental health people who seem to lump everyone into the same mold. See mental health is not a cut and dry thing, medicating someone is not always needed and it sometimes takes a few times around to figure out what's going on.
By the way Layout, Obama has been the only president who has addressed mental health issues for combat vets, no other president has done that. So many of them are now getting care that they need and the VA has been hiring for that.
Got to go, planes here and they are waving me to it.
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